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| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes  Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 625 of 1549 18 May 2011 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes. In present indicative both stems can be used. In imperative only the "z"-stem. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 626 of 1549 18 May 2011 at 8:07pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
1st group: áramlik, aránylik, bicsaklik, bomlik, bűzlik, csillámlik, csuklik, csuszamlik, döglik, feneklik, feslik, fénylik, foszlik, fuldoklik, gyülemlik, hajlik, haldoklik, hasonlik, hámlik, háramlik, iramlik, kéklik, ködlik, omlik, oszlik, ömlik, örvénylik, özönlik, romlik, sereglik, sikamlik, sillámlik, szólamlik, tündöklik, türemlik, világlik, villámlik, vöröslik, zajlik 2nd group: bogárzik, burjánzik, dohányzik, érzik, fajzik, fellegzik, habzik, hangzik, hiányzik, hólyagzik, hullámzik, ivarzik, lélegzik, magzik, nyálzik, patakzik, pattogzik, párzik, porzik, rajzik, sugárzik, tajtékzik, vérengzik, vérzik, virágzik 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6946 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 627 of 1549 18 May 2011 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
For some reason, I keep thinking that "ott fogok lenni" is a bit verbose or maybe more emphatic than "ott leszek" (it makes me think of the modern perceived difference between "I shall be there" rather than "I'll/I will be there") 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 628 of 1549 19 May 2011 at 7:02am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes, this is true. It is more emphatic. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 629 of 1549 20 May 2011 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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CHAPTER 10 (I’ve just realized that I wrote chapter 10 for the last one too! It was a mistake, the last one was chapter 9. I'll correct it)
Other chapters - 1 (page 58), 2 (page 6o), 3 (page 62), 4 (page 64), 5 (page 65), 6 (page 67), 7 (page 69), 8 (page 71), 9 (page 73) AZ ESERNYŐ ALATT - A TIZEDIK FEJEZET Lassan a kocsi kezd mozogni és felettük a fiúk hallják a jaguárt, hogy nem tetszik a mozgalom. Amikor az állatok a kocsit látják, kezdenek pánikba esni. A vaddisznók elfutnak a másik oldalhoz a helyiségben. A jaguár a kocsi tetőn egyszerre elugrik a tetőről és leszáll egy ketrecre, ahol sok majom van! Minden majom sikított és leugrik a ketrecről. A fiúknak kell megállniuk a kocsiban, mert most sok majom fut a kocsi kőré és két jaguár meg akarja őket ölni. Lassan tovább vezet Elvis és már a férfihez közel vannak. Látják, hogy az egyik jaguár már fogta egy majmot és most őt/azt eszi. Végül a kocsi érkezik a férfihez , így Elvis kissén kinyíti az ablakot és mondja – „Mondja el nekünk, hogyan onnan menekülhetünk és neki engedünk meg beszállni a kocsiba! Vihetük el magát a kórházba. Mit mond?” Egyúttal, amikor beszél Elvis, a másik oldalon a kocsinál, Benny kiszáll a kocsiból. Óvatosan de gyorsan fut öt méterre, ahova van a fegyver. Gyorsan felszédi a fegyvert és és visszafut a kocsihoz. Beszáll és becsukja az ajtót. „Engedd meg nekem beszállni, legy szíves! Meghalok, kell a kórházba mennem!” Szólja a férfi. „Megengedük azt neki, először mondja el, honnan menekülhetünk!” Felelje Elvis. „Van egy nagy ajtó abban az alagútban.” Rámutatja az alagútra, ahol már voltak a fiúk. „Igen, azt tuduk, de zarva van és azt tudja is maga!” Mondja Elvis. Már a férfi nagyon beteg és a hangja nagyon vékony. „Rendben, legyetek szívesek, van egy másik ajtó az egyik nagy ketrecben, a fal mellett a helyiség hátul. Segítsetek, legyetek szívesek!” Kérlel a férfi. „Na jó, nem hazudunk olyan, mint maga.” Elvis megfordul és kinyíti a hátsó ajtót. A férfi lassan mászik az ajtóhoz és bemászik a kocsiba, de ebben a pillanatban jön az egyik jaguár és megharapja a férfit és kihúzza őt a kocsiból. Gyorsan Elvis becsukja az ajtót. Bennynek a fegyver van és le lehet a jaguárt lőni, de a fiúk nem ölik meg az állatokat és nekik az állatok sokkal fontosok, mint a férfiak. A jaguár a férfit megeszi! A fiúknak nem tetszik ezt látni, így kezdenek az új tervükkel. Elvis tolatja a kocsit és vezet irányval a nagy ketrechez a helyiség hátul. Ebben a pillanatban az első ajtó nyílik ki és a két férfi bejön a helyiségbe. Ezúttal nagy fegyvereik és páncélük is vannak! I'm sure you've noticed that I use the formal you 'maga' and 'maguk' forms when the boys talk to the men and the informal 'te'and 'ti' forms when the men talk to the boys. Would this be realistic in this crazy situation!? I don't mind if it is wrong though because I decided to do it that way to practise both forms. Köszönöm előre Edited by hribecek on 20 May 2011 at 12:40pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 630 of 1549 20 May 2011 at 1:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I have no time now for the corrections, but tomorrow I will do it! But I will answer now to your question. Yes, this is called in Hungarian "csendőrpertu"... :-) Normally both sides use the same form of T-V distinction! There can be normally a difference in use between two sides only when one side is a child, and the other a grown up person. In this case it is normal if the child uses formal verb form and the adult uses informal verb form. But if it is a bigger child, an adolescent, than nowadays it is considered rare and strange. For example in school the teacher usually addresses children under 14 years informally, but children above 14 are usually addressed formally. In any other case using different forms of T-V verbs is csendőrpertu - it means the sides are not equal, the name csendőrpertu means literally "gendarmerie informal", the gendarme using informal form, and the civil person using formal form. Since 20 years there are big changes. Now it is normal to address a stranger of similar age in informal way, 20 years ago it was considered abnormal. A special, lesser form of "csendőrpertu" is common in addressing people even now. Historically it was of normal use. For example it was absolutely normal the following situation: the 17 years old son of a landowner and a 50 years old peasant working for the landowner, in this case the peasant addressed the 17 years old boy as "mister + 1st name", but the boy addressed the peasant as "1st name" only or if he wanted to express more courtesy, as "uncle + 1st name". These forms are so persistent that they were normally used in the communist era too. For example in a state enterprise a 35-years old manager was addressed by the cleaning woman or doorman or other service person as "comrade + last name", but the 35-years old manager addressed the 50-years old cleaning woman or the 65-years old doorman as "uncle + 1st name" / "aunt + 1st name" or even simply as "1st name" only in case of men. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6946 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 631 of 1549 20 May 2011 at 4:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Just as a comment, I've been addressing my barber who's much older than I as "Feri bácsi" rather than "Frank" or "Feri". hribecek, you can also see this kind of addressing in Kodály's singspiel "Háry János". the Austrian nobles address the Hungarian coachman as "Marci" even though he is presumably older than most of them. On the other hand the main character Háry János who is a younger soldier and his girlfriend, Örzse address him as "Marci bácsi". 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 632 of 1549 21 May 2011 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
This is because you are the client, he is much older, and you wish to express courtesy! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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