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| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes  Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 185 of 1549 04 March 2011 at 7:34am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Informal: "Isten hozott" Formal: "Isten hozta"
TUDJUK - definite conjugation needed
Both are correct.
MERT A TÖBB EMBER JOBB - no article or MERT TÖBB EMBER JOBB or you can say also: MERT A TÖBB EMBER AZ JOBB (note: in this case "az" is NOT an article!)
Örülök is, mert A (article needed here) Team Ő-ben vagy és kell használnunk sokAT (Accusative needed) ezt a nyelvet. Edited by maxval on 04 March 2011 at 7:39am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 186 of 1549 04 March 2011 at 3:43pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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I thought it would be a nice idea to try something different, so I’ve attempted to translate this great song, recommended to me by kisfroccs. I’ve tried to translate it as it would probably be written in English, not word for word but as naturally as possible. Obviously there will be some bad translations. So let’s analyse the translation and song and hopefully through doing that we can cement the words into our heads. I’d also be interested to know if any of this is from old Hungarian or very poetic and thus not useful for us to learn?
1.Van egy ország, &nbs p; 1. &nbs p; There’s a country, ahol álmomban jártam: &nbs p; where I go in my dreams: Magyarország, &nbs p; &nbs p; Hungary, ahol az arcodban láttam ; where I saw my own face in yours. a magam arcát. 2. Az ölelésben bõség, &nbs p; 2. You were always truthful and loyal. az igaz ügyben hûség ; ; voltál. Én ezt az arcot már õrzöm, and now I’m keeping guard of this face, Magyarország! &nbs p; &nbs p; Hungary! Hiszek az álmomban egy életen át...I believe your life passes in my dreams… Magyarország! &nbs p; &nbs p; Hungary! 3.Te vagy a szívembe írva. 3. You are written in my heart Magyarország! &nbs p; &nbs p; Hungary! Te vagy a lelkemre bízva. You are the hope in my soul. Magyarország, &nbs p; &nbs p; Hungary, hát te vezess most engem, you are the force driving me, és amit meg kell tennem &n bsp; &n bsp; and that which I still have to do, segítsd! &nb sp; &nb sp; Help me! 4. Legyél a holnapban rejlõ 4. Be my one certainty for tomorrow! bizonyosság! Én csak az életem bízom rád... In my life, you’re the only one I trust… 5. Van egy ország, &nbs p; 5.REPEATED ahol álmomban jártam: Magyarország, ahol az arcodban láttam a magam arcát. 6. Gyere és egyszer végre, 6. Come and once the day finally awakens, amikor új nap ébred, ; ; te várj! &nbs p; &n bsp; &n bsp; I’ll be waiting for you, Gyere és bújj hozzám újra Come to me and hide in the new Magyarország! &nbs p; &nbs p; Hungary! Én ezer év óta várlak már… I’ve been waiting there for you for a thousand years already… 7. Gyere és egyszer végre, 7. REPEATED amikor új nap ébred, te várj! Gyere és bújj hozzám újra Magyarország! Én ezer év óta várlak már... 8. Magyarország! &nbs p; 8.Hungary! Idegen földön ha járok, ; If I’m walking in a foreign land, Magyarország, &nbs p; &nbs p; Hungary, velem az út is megfordul &nb sp; With me the road always turns haza hozzád. &nbs p; &nbs p; home to you. 9. Velem az õsök kérnek, &nbs p; 9. The forefathers wish engedd, hogy benned éljek for you to let me go on living in you, tovább, ahogyan õk élnek bennem, as they live in me, Magyarország! &nbs p; &nbs p; Hungary! Milliók áldása szálljon rád! May millions of blessings take flight to you! 10. Velem az õsök kérnek, &nbs p; 10. REPEATED engedd, hogy benned éljek tovább, ahogyan õk élnek bennem, Magyarország! Milliók áldása szálljon rád! Legyél a holnapban rejlõ bizonyosság! Én csak az életem bízom rád! Legyél a holnapban rejlõ bizonyosság! Milliók áldása szálljon rád! I've tried editing it but I'm a computer dunce so I don't know how to get rid of all of those nbs p;. No idea why they're there and hopefully you can ignore them! Edited by hribecek on 04 March 2011 at 3:49pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 187 of 1549 04 March 2011 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Tomorrow I will see your translation. Maybe it is too hard for you, but there is a parody version of the song. I didnt find the video, but here http://www.gatveder.hu/mp3/1010282.mp3 is the sound. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 188 of 1549 05 March 2011 at 8:36am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
I cant do a proper poetic translation, my level of English is very much fare from this, so my corrections are based on the literally sense of the text!
went – “jártam” is past tense
In your embrace you were (the) abundance, in the true cause you were (the) loyalty
egy életen át = lifelong I believe in my dream lifelong.
You are entrusted to my soul = I entrust you to my soul bízik valamiben = hope in something but: bízik valamit valakire = entrust something to someone
so lead me now
I just entrust all my life to you
Come and once when finally a new day awakens, wait for me
I am not sure if “hide” is a correct translation here for “bújik”, but I really don’t know how to express this in English, so I leave “hide”. Come and hide to me again, Hungary! újra = again Edited by maxval on 05 March 2011 at 8:39am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 189 of 1549 05 March 2011 at 1:35pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Here, it doesn't make much sense in English so I think we need to work on it a bit more. Maybe if you're reading this Chung, do you think you could make it clearer?
Again here, it would be something different in English. Maybe - 'I have believed in this dream for all my life.' Or something similar.
Yours is much better then. For the rest of it, I agree that your translation is better than mine. We just need a English native who's also excellent at Hungarian to iron out the little problems, namely - Chung! Edited by hribecek on 05 March 2011 at 1:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 190 of 1549 05 March 2011 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Yes, I realize that. It wants to says that she has found a sense of abundance in Hungary's embraces and loyalty in Hungary's true cause, or even better: its embraces were abundant and its true cause was loyal. But - sorry for saying that - this is a REALLY STUPID text, with banal cliches and false pathetic feelings, so do not try to find some kind of "profound message" in it...
Yes this is OK: I have believed in this dream for all my life
In reality I think that any native English speaker with a poetic ability can do it. The problem is that there is no profound sense in the text, only cliches that are very hard to translate. For example how can I be embraced by a country and why this gives me a feeling of abundance? This is simply nonsense. And what is the "true cause"? And how the true cause gives me loyalty? This is simply stupid. Edited by maxval on 05 March 2011 at 2:46pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 191 of 1549 05 March 2011 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
I see. I'm making the same mistake as many foreigners who don't speak English make. During Communism here, Czechs could listen to English songs which for them was something like an escape and something exotic, but they had no idea what the songs were about. Now when they hear the translations of all those classic songs that they heard during that period, they're always disappointed that the lyrics are usually a load of rubbish. I do really like this song though, it's very pleasant to the ears. By the way, are any of the words in the song archaic and not worth learning? Is vagy írva the normal Hungarian passive form? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 192 of 1549 05 March 2011 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Yes, I know this very well... As a child I listened every day to Radio Free Europe and Voice of America, and I was ABSOLUTELY SURE that EVERYTHING there is 100 % truth, and was also absolutely sure that everything 100 % of what was said on Hungarian television is lie. Western music was something like "spirit of freedom", even the most stupid Western music. And only those Hungarian musicians were popular who copied the Western style. In Bulgaria it was the same, but even in more extreme versions! I lived in Communista Bulgaria too, between 1986-1989. Bulgarian was much more closed country, than Hungary. For example in Hungary it was allowed to travel to the West one time every three years without invitation or without an organized tourist group, while in Bulgaria there was almost no possibility for this. Something you wont belive. In Bulgaria the "latest fashion" was considered always the clothes that were in the special Korekom shops where only hard currency was accepted (it was the same as Tuzex shops in Czechoslovakia, if you didnt hear about it, ask any Czech 30-35 years old or older)! Every woman wanted to have something from Korekom. When I bought in Korekom in 1987 a pair of shiny black leggings for my wife, it was considered as some kind of luxury clothing! Its price was 8 US Dollars, it was expensive, as an average Bulgarian worker had a monthly wage of 50 US Dollars.
No archaic words. So it is pretty good for language learning. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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