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hribecek
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 Message 857 of 1549
13 November 2011 at 5:23pm | IP Logged 
maxval wrote:
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In English you can say "I check my emails if Hribecek has written something", in Hungarian it is impossible to say "ha", it will be "Ellenőrzöm az email(j)eimet hogy írt-e Hribecek". (I personally even in English would prefer to say "I check my emails whether Hribecek has written something", but I am not sure if this version is better...)

Just an English pointer for you -
"I check my emails if Hribecek has written something" means that you only check your emails when Hribecek writes something, otherwise you never check your emails. :))

The correct way in English would be -
"I check my emails to see if Hribecek has written anything." or "I check my emails to see whether Hribecek has written anything."

"I check my emails whether Hribecek has written something" is grammatically incorrect in every possible meaning.



Yes, ANYTHING is the key. I tend to use something and anything as synonymes, however I know this is not correct...
That's true too but the real key to the difference in this case is the 'to see...' part, that's the bit that changes the meaning in this sentence.



Edited by hribecek on 13 November 2011 at 5:28pm

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 Message 858 of 1549
13 November 2011 at 5:25pm | IP Logged 
maxval wrote:
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"we don't know if Richard managed to jump out of the way".


"Nem tudjuk, hogy Richardnak sikerült-e elugrania."

In my first version it was LE instead of EL, it was a typo. Sorry.

hribecek wrote:
"we don't know THAT Richard jumped out of the way."


"Nem tudjuk, hogy Richard elugrott-e."

So how would I say "we don't know that Richard managed to jump out of the way."

Would it still be the same as your 2nd sentence?
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 Message 859 of 1549
13 November 2011 at 5:26pm | IP Logged 
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Most az egyik – Richard lemegy a hegyről (keres segítséget Terrynek), de amikor kapaszkodott egy szikla oldalába, a szikla le kezd esni és most nem tudunk ha Richardnak sikerült ugrani el.


Most az egyikük – Richard lemegy a hegyről (keres segítséget Terrynek), de amikor kapaszkodott egy szikla oldalába, a szikla le kezd esni és most nem tudjk hogy Richardnak sikerült-e leugrania.

Dont use different tenses in the same sentence! I didnt correct this in this sentence, plz decide if you want past or present tense to be used here!


In English I wanted to say - "The rock starts falling and now we don't know if Richard managed to jump out of the way."

So I would use the present and past in English. Is it still wrong in Hungarian?




The problem was not that. The problem was that first you said "lemegy" present, then "kapaszkodott" past, than "le kezd esni" present again. This is not very good. In speech it is possible - however it is still "low style" -, but in writing this is definitely not OK.
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 Message 860 of 1549
13 November 2011 at 5:33pm | IP Logged 
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A másik – Terry most jól van és áll a hegy tetején és hall valamit közel hozzá, hogy mozog és egy kicsit fél.


Közel hozzá? Kihez közel?

Ki fél? Aki mozog? Miért fél? Vagy Terry fél?

Közel Terryhez.

Terry fél. Valami vagy valaki mozog. Fél, mert nem tudja, mi van a ködben.




In Hungarian these things have to be clearly expressed!

"A másik – Terry most jól van és áll a hegy tetején" - OK

(note: instead of "másik" you can use "másikuk", it is better)

"és hall valamit közel hozzá, hogy mozog és egy kicsit fél"

közel hozzá means "near to him/her/it", this means this "him" is not Terry, as Terry wont speak about himself as "him" - so this way we think that there is someone else, and the noise is "near to this unknown person"

So this part is not OK. You want to say "near to himself", so:
"és hall valamit magához közel" or even you can simply omit and say "és hall valamit közel" / "és hall valamit a közelben"

and then "és egy kicsit fél" is OK, as it is clear that is relates to Terry

Otherwise we cannot be sure who is afraid.
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 Message 861 of 1549
13 November 2011 at 5:37pm | IP Logged 
hribecek wrote:
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A könyöke elég fájt, de a többi karja főleg zsibbadt volt.


A könyöke elég fájt, de a többi karja főleg zsibbadt volt.

A többi karja? Hát hány karja van Richardnak? Richard egy ember vagy egy polip? Vagy esetleg földönkívüli???

:)))) This really made me laugh!

I wanted to say "the rest of his arm".


A karja többi része.

"A többi karja" means "his remaining arms".
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 Message 862 of 1549
13 November 2011 at 5:42pm | IP Logged 
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Még sokk-ban volt és nem tudta gondolni.



Még sokkban volt és nem tudta gondolni.

Why is there a hyphen? Sokk-ban? Sokkban!

Mit nem tudott gondolni?

I was applying the Hribecek rule of 3 hard consonants not going together. :))




The rule is: 3 SAME consonants not going together. For example SOKK + VAL (KAL) = SOKKAL. But still no hyphen, but the last k of the stem is omitted.

There is a hyphen if it is for example a name. Lets suppose your name is not Hribecek, but Hribecekk. In this case: Hribecekk + vel (kel) = Hribecekk-kel



Edited by maxval on 13 November 2011 at 5:43pm

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 Message 863 of 1549
13 November 2011 at 5:45pm | IP Logged 
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Nem tudott gondolni, mert sokkban volt és emiatt az agyja nem működött jól.

He couldn't think properly because he was in shock. Maybe I should have added the word 'rendesen' ??




Then the word gondolkodik, not gondol should be used!
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 Message 864 of 1549
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maxval wrote:

közel hozzá means "near to him/her/it", this means this "him" is not Terry, as Terry wont speak about himself as "him" - so this way we think that there is someone else, and the noise is "near to this unknown person"

So this part is not OK. You want to say "near to himself", so:
"és hall valamit magához közel" or even you can simply omit and say "és hall valamit közel" / "és hall valamit a közelben"

In English and Czech you can say 'he heard someone near him' and 'he heard someone near to himself' would mean that the other person was near to himself!

Such a big difference in meaning expressed in the opposite way in English and Czech. Might be a difficlut one for me to adapt to. I think I had this problem during the 'under the umbrella' story too.


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