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maxval
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| Message 137 of 1549 22 February 2011 at 6:13pm | IP Logged |
hribecek wrote:
maxval wrote:
hribecek wrote:
| Miért Kubában és Peruban élted? Miért Bulgáriába mented? Magyar nyelv után, mi a legerősebb nyelved? És mi a harmadik, negyedik, ötödik nyelved? |
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Azért éltem Kubában és Peruban, mert apám ott dolgozott, s vele voltam. Aztán pedig a Havannai Egyetemen tanultam egy évig bölcsészkaron.
Bulgáriába először azért mentem, mert a feleségem ott született. Most legutoljára, 2007-ben, pedig azért mentem ismét Bulgáriába, mert előtte tíz évig Magyarországon éltünk, s nem úgy alakultak ott a dolgok, ahogy szerettük volna, ezért úgy döntöttünk, hogy megpróbálkozunk Bulgáriában élni, hátha jobb lesz. S tényleg jobb lett!
A magyar után a legerősebb nyelvem a bolgár. Bolgárul majdnem úgy tudok, mint magyarul, még a számolás sem okoz nehézséget (kivéve a 4-jegyű vagy nagyobb számok szorzását és osztását, azt csak magyarul tudom). Olvasásnál is teljesen mindegy, hogy magyarul vagy bolgárul olvasok. Viszont kicsit hibás a bolgár kiejtésem, s - ez a legnagyobb hibám - rossz a hanglejtésem. Nyelvtani hibáim nagyon ritkán vannak, néha - ha nem figyelek oda - összekeverem az igeidőket, a bolgárban 9 igeidő van.
A spanyol volt a harmadik legerősebb nyelvem, de most már inkább passzív. Megértek szinte mindent, de most már gondolkodni kell, ha beszélni akarok. Nem használtam 20 éve.
Az orosszal is így vagyok. Nagyon passzív most már a tudásom. Pedig annak idején orosz iskolába jártam 5 évet és ott is érettségiztem. Nem használom 25 éve. De nem gond érteni most sem, gyakran nézek orosz tévécsatornákat. Kellene néhány hónap gyakorlat, hogy úgy tudjak beszélni oroszul, mint régen.
Az angol van most a harmadik helyen, régebben az ötödik helyen volt csak. Az igazság az, hogy sosem tanultam angolul iskolában vagy tanfolyamon, minden tudásom újságok és az internet olvasásából van. De tudok kb. 5-6 ezer angol szót, s nagyjából ismerem a nyelvtant is. Újságot olvasni nem gond, 95-99 %-ot értek. A filmekből viszont csak 30-40 %-ot értek. Szakkönyveknél mindent értek, de irodalmi műveknél már nehezebb. Próbáltam pl. angolul olvasni a Hamletet, de nagyon nehéz volt, aztán inkább magyarul olvastam.
Tanultam még több nyelvet is, de egyik sincs olyan szinten, hogy tudnám használni. Tanultam latinul, s jó is voltam latinból, de azóta elfelejtettem majdnem mindent. Ismerkedtem a bibliai göröggel is, de most csak olvasni tudok és emlékszem néhány szóra. Tanultam még kicsit szuahéli nyelvet, szerb-horvát nyelvet, asszír nyelvet, s hébert is. A szerb-horvát 70 %-ban azonos a bolgárral (kb. mint a spanyol és az olasz, vagy mint a német és a svéd), így természetesen jól megértem.
Szeretném a többi nyelvet újratanulni. Most - tavaly decemberben - a hébert kezdtem újra. Tanulok minden nap 1 órát. Van egy jó amerikai héber-nyelvtankönyvem, már megcsináltam az első könyv felét. Ha befejeztem mind a két könyvet, akkor kb. B1-es szint leszek. |
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Életed nyelvekkel nagyon érdekes, és engem érdekel ez az információ, mert nekem nyelvek legérdekesebb dolog. Szerencéd van (nyelvekkel), hogy születem a szituációba, ahol harom nyelvet tanulni nélkül kapsz.
Sajnos én kezdtem nyelvekkel, amikor huszonnégy éves voltam, azért most a második nyelvemet - csehül nem tudok mint te tudsz bolgárul. Sok tanulnom és gyakorolnom kellett, de még hibákam vannak amikor beszélek csehül. Hibák nélkül szeretnék beszélni és jobb hanglejtéssel is, hasonló mint a cseh emberek, de szerintem nem lehet csinálni, mert nyelvekkel túl késő kezdtem.
Életemben tanultam spanyolul, csehül, olaszul, svédül, németül, mandarinul és franciárul, de most csak tudok csehül, spanyolul és egy kicsit mandarinul. Remélem néhány hónap múlva, lehet mondni - tudok elég jól magyarul!
Nekem nagyon tetszik nyelvekről beszélni, azért ez a levelek szórakoztatnak.
Milyen volt Kubában? Mit dolgozott apád? |
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Minden nyelvben a kiejtés a legnehezebb. Az emberek 99 %-a SOSEM képes elsajátítani a helyes kiejtést. Nekem pl. angolul a magánhangzó az angol "man" és "men" szóban ugyanaz... :-) Elméletileg tudom persze a különbséget, s el is tudom magyarázni, de nehéz nekem helyesen mondani.
Apám kereskedelmi képviselő volt Kubában.
Kubában jó volt, nagyon szép ország. A baj csak a politikai rendszer, az nagyon rossz. S nagy a szegénység, az emberek havi fizetése átlagosan 20 (húsz) dollár.
Én nagyon szeretem Kubát, s általában az egész Karib-térséget. Ha lenne több pénzem, vennék ott valahol egy házat, pl. Barbadoson. Egy szép ház a tengerparton kb. egymillió dollár. De nekem nincs egymillió dollárom...
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| maxval
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| Message 138 of 1549 22 February 2011 at 6:15pm | IP Logged |
hribecek wrote:
Kisfroccs wrote:
Personnaly, I cannot say if I'm A1 or A2, but more likely A1. You on the other hand, seem to be at A2 ( a solid one) if we consider how you are writing :). Maybe the speaking and the listening aren't the same and I can rely to that.
I listen a lot to kossuth radio. It may be boring - but as I don't understand every word or phrase, that doesn't bother me. So I form my "ear" to Hungarian and sometimes I even recognize some words I learnt - that's my personnal pride :). www.mr1-kossuth.hu
The reading is more scarcely, because I do not have an amount of vocabular that allows that (but I understand most of the time perfectly what you are saying in this thread). And more important, I do not own a lot of Hungarian books. I have "Egri csillagok", which is pretty difficult, some "Elle" magazine and a poem book. My kid book does not proved any utility to me. I can ship it to you, if you want :).
One of my dream is to read in Hungarian. Reading does help a lot in my language understanding.
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Hi Kisfroccs
Can I ask you how you listen to Kossuth radio? It could be a good idea for me too to improve my terrible listening level.
Are you part of a TAC team for this year? If not, why don't you join the Hungarian team with me, Lapislazuli and The Stephen, I think you'd be a valuable member as you're very helpful.
I really appreciate all the recommendations you've given me. |
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Can you explain to me what is exactly the TAC Team? What it does? How it functions? I looked at the TAC forum, but I couldnt understand the logic...
Edited by maxval on 22 February 2011 at 6:15pm
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| Kisfroccs
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| Message 139 of 1549 22 February 2011 at 9:10pm | IP Logged |
Hello Hribecek !
Here is how I learn, but I feel it's highly unregular and disordonated.
1) I'm very busy these days (end exams these month) and do not have a lot of time to spend on my hungarian. So, basically, I listen to hungarian music on my iPod/ mp3 on my way to school or work. Edda, Bikini, Agnes Vanilla, Oláh Ibolya, Kiscsillág etc. I like them a lot, although I don't understand a lot of the lyrics (except for Bikini). Sometimes I come across a word I learned previously and as I know what they are saying by heart, I can translate a little bit more of the lyrics... and one time I get through (like Közeli Helyeken from Bikini)
2) If I have Internet, I listen to the radio while I'm doing my homework (of any kind). Often it's soothing and relaxing. I don't think I listen actively what they are saying... mostly because I cannot understand a whole sentence, but I understand a lot of word. Now I'm listen : zenei, kis, igen, száz, csángó, hogy... etc. There is some music playing loudly (in the radio), so I just understand these, but some times it's way more. So, never actively, just "passively".
a) it allows me to impregnate the sound and stress of certain words - of Hungarian
b) often they play viola or violin music... what I love. I feel that the rythmus of these songs are part of Hungarian/Hungary.
c) when I first listened to Kossuth Radio, I couldn't hear when a word starts or ends. That improved in the time, along the understanding. Most of the time now, I'm understanding what they are talking about.
3) If I have more time, I do some exercices in the "practical Hungarian" / "szavak, ragok, mondatok" or "Magyarul tanulók"
4) I underline the words I really don't know, put them in my jotter (separated with nouns, adjectives, verbs, adverbs /conjunctions and phrases). When I look them up in the dictionnary, I highlight these words, so I know if I search them again, that I have searched them before... and forgot them :).
5) If I have much more time, I put them in "vokker.net" and then review them. Anyway, each morning I receive a mail with 5 words to learn. I check them in the morning, and then (mostly of the time), forget them.
6) When I'm in the country, I do not speak a lot, my boyfriend does this for me :p. But that may change, with his family :). But as all the products are labeled in Hungarian, I learn them. And I ask him, what this or that word means, or if I'm right about a word.
So, I think, that is it.
What have I to do to participate at the TAC ?
Zosia
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| Message 140 of 1549 22 February 2011 at 10:26pm | IP Logged |
Would you mind solving some of my doubts in hungarian alphabet and pronounce?
How is commonly read H?
I have written that it is read as:
german h(aspirated)
french "eu" or German ö and when it is at the end of the word it hasn't to be
pronounced.
Is these notes correct?
Which are the differences between "i","í" and "j" in the pronounce?
C is read as mute z (as Italian iniZio) ,right?
How must be read A?
Like a normal A?
Whereas "cs" is read as french "ch" right?
How must be read "DZ"?
Is correct as "z" like in "zone"?
How should be pronounced "ly"?
Which are the differences of pronounce between o,ö, ő and ó?
How is pronounced "ny"?
Important,I didn't understand how pronounce "ty", like a "K"?
Finally, could you explain to me which are the differences between the types of u?
Thank you very much, I know these informations can be found on wikipedia, as a matter
of fact, I did this before, yet I wanted an opinion and clarification by native
speakers or by people who speak or write Hungarian well.
Thanks!
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| hribecek
Triglot
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| Message 141 of 1549 23 February 2011 at 9:55am | IP Logged |
maxval wrote:
hribecek wrote:
Kisfroccs wrote:
Personnaly, I cannot say if I'm A1 or A2, but more likely A1. You on the other hand, seem to be at A2 ( a solid one) if we consider how you are writing :). Maybe the speaking and the listening aren't the same and I can rely to that.
I listen a lot to kossuth radio. It may be boring - but as I don't understand every word or phrase, that doesn't bother me. So I form my "ear" to Hungarian and sometimes I even recognize some words I learnt - that's my personnal pride :). www.mr1-kossuth.hu
The reading is more scarcely, because I do not have an amount of vocabular that allows that (but I understand most of the time perfectly what you are saying in this thread). And more important, I do not own a lot of Hungarian books. I have "Egri csillagok", which is pretty difficult, some "Elle" magazine and a poem book. My kid book does not proved any utility to me. I can ship it to you, if you want :).
One of my dream is to read in Hungarian. Reading does help a lot in my language understanding.
Zosia |
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Hi Kisfroccs
Can I ask you how you listen to Kossuth radio? It could be a good idea for me too to improve my terrible listening level.
Are you part of a TAC team for this year? If not, why don't you join the Hungarian team with me, Lapislazuli and The Stephen, I think you'd be a valuable member as you're very helpful.
I really appreciate all the recommendations you've given me. |
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Can you explain to me what is exactly the TAC Team? What it does? How it functions? I looked at the TAC forum, but I couldnt understand the logic... |
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It's pretty simple really, it's basically just an extra motivation for learning a language. You join a team and within that team you give each other advice and maybe write to each other in your target language so as to practise and recommend stuff to each other. At the end of the year, you vote for the 'best' team - probably the most active or the most interesting or the team with the most improvement.
As I said, it's just for motivation to be a part of a group of people all with the same goal. There is a Hebrew one there with only 2 members at the moment so I expect that they would be keen to have you on their team if you're interested. It's not everyone's cup of tea but I don't see any drawbacks to it myself.
You only have to start a log in the language log forum with your team name in it and first you have to tell Ellasevia that you want to take part and which team you would like to be in and he'll probably add you.
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Triglot
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| Message 142 of 1549 23 February 2011 at 10:05am | IP Logged |
Kisfroccs wrote:
Hello Hribecek !
Here is how I learn, but I feel it's highly unregular and disordonated.
1) I'm very busy these days (end exams these month) and do not have a lot of time to spend on my hungarian. So, basically, I listen to hungarian music on my iPod/ mp3 on my way to school or work. Edda, Bikini, Agnes Vanilla, Oláh Ibolya, Kiscsillág etc. I like them a lot, although I don't understand a lot of the lyrics (except for Bikini). Sometimes I come across a word I learned previously and as I know what they are saying by heart, I can translate a little bit more of the lyrics... and one time I get through (like Közeli Helyeken from Bikini)
2) If I have Internet, I listen to the radio while I'm doing my homework (of any kind). Often it's soothing and relaxing. I don't think I listen actively what they are saying... mostly because I cannot understand a whole sentence, but I understand a lot of word. Now I'm listen : zenei, kis, igen, száz, csángó, hogy... etc. There is some music playing loudly (in the radio), so I just understand these, but some times it's way more. So, never actively, just "passively".
a) it allows me to impregnate the sound and stress of certain words - of Hungarian
b) often they play viola or violin music... what I love. I feel that the rythmus of these songs are part of Hungarian/Hungary.
c) when I first listened to Kossuth Radio, I couldn't hear when a word starts or ends. That improved in the time, along the understanding. Most of the time now, I'm understanding what they are talking about.
3) If I have more time, I do some exercices in the "practical Hungarian" / "szavak, ragok, mondatok" or "Magyarul tanulók"
4) I underline the words I really don't know, put them in my jotter (separated with nouns, adjectives, verbs, adverbs /conjunctions and phrases). When I look them up in the dictionnary, I highlight these words, so I know if I search them again, that I have searched them before... and forgot them :).
5) If I have much more time, I put them in "vokker.net" and then review them. Anyway, each morning I receive a mail with 5 words to learn. I check them in the morning, and then (mostly of the time), forget them.
6) When I'm in the country, I do not speak a lot, my boyfriend does this for me :p. But that may change, with his family :). But as all the products are labeled in Hungarian, I learn them. And I ask him, what this or that word means, or if I'm right about a word.
So, I think, that is it.
What have I to do to participate at the TAC ?
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Hi Zosia
The above message is evidence of why you must be more advanced than me! Your listening at least must be much better.
Thanks for all those tips. Where do you find Kossuth radio?
My method is only TY Hungarian, a little music and this forum! I'll be joining vokker.net soon but I don't have a new computer yet and there's no point me doing it at work because I won't have time.
You can read my message to Maxval about the Team TAC.
I hope you can join our team!
Steve
Edited by hribecek on 23 February 2011 at 12:35pm
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Triglot
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| Message 143 of 1549 23 February 2011 at 12:16pm | IP Logged |
maxval wrote:
Minden nyelvben a kiejtés a legnehezebb. Az emberek 99 %-a SOSEM képes elsajátítani a helyes kiejtést. Nekem pl. angolul a magánhangzó az angol "man" és "men" szóban ugyanaz... :-) Elméletileg tudom persze a különbséget, s el is tudom magyarázni, de nehéz nekem helyesen mondani.
Apám kereskedelmi képviselő volt Kubában.
Kubában jó volt, nagyon szép ország. A baj csak a politikai rendszer, az nagyon rossz. S nagy a szegénység, az emberek havi fizetése átlagosan 20 (húsz) dollár.
Én nagyon szeretem Kubát, s általában az egész Karib-térséget. Ha lenne több pénzem, vennék ott valahol egy házat, pl. Barbadoson. Egy szép ház a tengerparton kb. egymillió dollár. De nekem nincs egymillió dollárom...
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Én is szeretnék lakni az a részeben a világ, de én inkább Kosztarikában lakom, mert ott voltam negy hónap és nagyon tetszik és Kosztarikában sok barátom van. A spanyol nyelv és a kultúra miatt akarok meglátogatni is Kubát, de nem tudom ha lehetne, mert sok országba akarok menni és sok pénzt kerül.
Hova szeretnél menni jönő kirándulásodért? Miért?
Kisfröccs is, felelheted ezt a kérdést.
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| Kisfroccs
Bilingual Pentaglot
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Switzerland
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| Message 144 of 1549 23 February 2011 at 12:49pm | IP Logged |
xander.XVII wrote:
Would you mind solving some of my doubts in hungarian alphabet and pronounce?
How is commonly read H?
I have written that it is read as:
german h(aspirated)
french "eu" or German ö and when it is at the end of the word it hasn't to be
pronounced.
Is these notes correct?
Which are the differences between "i","í" and "j" in the pronounce?
C is read as mute z (as Italian iniZio) ,right?
How must be read A?
Like a normal A?
Whereas "cs" is read as french "ch" right?
How must be read "DZ"?
Is correct as "z" like in "zone"?
How should be pronounced "ly"?
Which are the differences of pronounce between o,ö, ő and ó?
How is pronounced "ny"?
Important,I didn't understand how pronounce "ty", like a "K"?
Finally, could you explain to me which are the differences between the types of u?
Thank you very much, I know these informations can be found on wikipedia, as a matter
of fact, I did this before, yet I wanted an opinion and clarification by native
speakers or by people who speak or write Hungarian well.
Thanks! |
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Comme je vois que tu apprends le français, je vais t'écrire l'alphabet hongrois à la prononciation française.
a á : le "a" est plutôt foncé, tend vers le "o" (mais n'est pas un o!), le á est le à en français
c : ts
cs : tch
dz : dz
dsz : dsse
dzs : dz : "jazz" en anglais
e : è
é : é
g : gue
gy : comme dans "di"eu (dieu), adieu, mais plus court
h : aspiré, toujours
i í : i
j : *lle svájc : chveillts (= Schweiz in German), Marsei*ll*e
ly : même chose que le j
o ó : o
ö ő : euh
sz : ss (chau*ss*ette)
t : t
ty : t"lle" court. Un peu comme en russe la prononciation de Putin = Putyin
u ú : ou
ü ű : u
z : z
zs : j comme dans jeunes
Les accents servent à allonger la voyelle à chaque fois. Le ly et j se prononcent la même chose.
J'espère que c'est un peu plus clair :), c'était des explications à la va-vite.
Zosia
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