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| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes  Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 1145 of 1549 04 March 2012 at 6:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 1146 of 1549 05 March 2012 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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Felvettem egy �j vide�t. Ez�ttal a l�kasomban csehorsz�gban.
Maxval, bocs�nat, mert a vide� el�tt a m�lt felv�tel�ta sokat gyakaroltam "gy" �s "�s", de amikor besz�ltem a vide�ban nagyon ideges lettem �s azt hiszem, hogy ugyanazt hib�it csin�ltam. The video quality is not good as it�s from my mobile phone. The youtube title is "A lakásomban besz�lek magyarul". My username is "hribek76". EDIT: I've adjusted the video so it's not on it's side anymore. Edited by hribecek on 05 March 2012 at 6:20pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 1147 of 1549 06 March 2012 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | ||
Yoou promunciation is not worse when speaking freely than when you were reading a text! And you speak most of the time gramatically correctly. The pronunciation problems are mostly the same as with text reading. However it must be noticed that this time you probably have been careful about the "gy", so now it was pronounced much better than the last time. You tried to correct the pronuciation of "ö" too, but it has not been so successful, you pronounce someting between "ö" and "ü", when trying to say "ö", it can be very well noticed in the words "főleg" and "könyveim". A Hungarian native speaker will think you say "fűleg" and "künyveim", as your pronuciation is closer to "ü" than to "ö". The devoicing of last voiced consonants continues: you say always „esz” for "ez". The word "új" is not OK. You say something like a diphtong, something like English "ou" double pronounced. Look at this table http://osbutasagok.nolblog.hu/files/2011/03/cmp.png - this was made by me for understanding the main differences between Hungarian, Bulgarian, British English and American English in vowel pronunciation. It was made by me for myself, but maybe will help you. The table is not fully correct, but it shows well the relationships between the vowels in these 3 languages. Do not pay attention to the Hungarian words with asterisk - * means non-normative pronunciation. (If you wish, I will explain that, but you do not pay attention to these forms, as you will be confused, in case of Hungarian, look only the formd without an asterisk.) Legends: the flag of England means the English pronunciation when it is the same for British and American, and the flag of the UK and USA mean respectively the British only and American only pronuciation. I noticed a new problem in your pronunciation too. When reading, your stress was always correct. However now sometimes you put the word stress on the second sylable, for example in words "akarok" and "lakásomban”. And something you probably didnt know. There are a few Hungarian words with "h", where the "h" is silent! The word „cseh” and "Csehország" are among them, they are pronunced "cse" and "cseország". However note that in some forms, the "h" appears, for exameple the plural of "cseh" is "csehek", in it is pronounced with "h" - csehek. Edited by maxval on 06 March 2012 at 1:19pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 1148 of 1549 06 March 2012 at 2:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you once again.
I've printed out your chart and will take a look at it. I'm glad my pronunciation was reasonable again and that you seem to have understood everything. I mainly practised "gy" and "és" in the time between the 2 recordings. I think I usually remember "gy" better when I don't have the pressure of the recording, "és" too. I think I now know the correct pronunciation of these two, I just forget sometimes (or a lot during recordings!). The other problems that you highlighted are much bigger for me, because I can't really feel them. Especially Ö and Ü as I said before. I think it's just luck when I get one of them right. Going by your corrections I suppose I must say Ü quite well but can't manage Ö. For me Ö feels higher in the mouth than Ü and that's the only real difference (in my English head). The voiced/devoiced and aspirated/non-aspirated difference is another big problem for me, in Czech too I think. I felt some of the obvious grammar mistakes immediately but usually just continued anyway because of time. Next time I'll go back to mainly reading in order to really focus on pronunciation. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 1149 of 1549 06 March 2012 at 2:58pm | IP Logged | ||
The main thing with "ö" and "ü" is they are both front central, but ü is pronounced higher (so with more closed mouth) than ö. Basically, now you pronounce something like English "i" as in word "bit", but with rounded mouth. Yes, the rounded mouth is OK, but ü should be higher the "i" in "bit" and "ö" is lower. This is a matter of practice and capacity. I have the same problems in every language. I can explain very well how English vowels should be pronounced (maybe even better than a native English speaker), but I have very bad intonation capacities, so I pronounce almost always incorrectly. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 1150 of 1549 06 March 2012 at 3:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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You should make a video or do a recording of your English. I'm curious to see if your pronunciation is really as bad as you always say.
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| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 1151 of 1549 06 March 2012 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes, I was thinking about that. Maybe will do it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 1152 of 1549 09 March 2012 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | ||
I had a little time, so I recorded my voice reading an English text. If you want to learn about all the typical Hungarian pronunciation errors in English, then you MUST hear it. The only error I dont do is placing the stress always on the first syllable. I am able to give a list of my errors even now, but I prefer first to wait for your comments. The Hungarian King's Speech Edited by maxval on 09 March 2012 at 2:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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