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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6946 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes  20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 281 of 1549 16 March 2011 at 3:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'm not sure if I'm the best person to ask because I have studied Czech in addition to Slovak, so I'm not totally reliant on Slovak when processing Czech. In general I understand about 80% of what's presented to me in Standard Czech. The percentage is lower when I deal with Colloquial Czech. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 282 of 1549 16 March 2011 at 3:41pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Something important to add. In reality between 1526 and 1918 there was no Hungary in the strict sense of the word "country". It was part of a larger entity. So Bratislava and later Buda(pest) were capitals not of an independent country, but of a "province". The real capital was Vienna. This was changed only in 1867, when both Buda(pest) and Vienna became capitals of the whole Habsburg Empire. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 283 of 1549 19 March 2011 at 6:35pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Maxval, tudsz magyarazni nekem, milyen a különbség 'ön' és 'maga' között. Mikor használnom a egyiket és mikor a másiket? A könyvemben azt leírték, de még nekem nem egyértelmű.
Előre köszönöm ps. holnap fogok írni új levelet Edited by hribecek on 19 March 2011 at 6:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 284 of 1549 19 March 2011 at 7:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Gyakorlatilag semmi különbség nincs, az "ön" kicsit udvariasabb, hivatalosabb forma, mint a "maga". Írásban viszont, hivatalos levélben sosem írnám azt, hogy "maga", mindig csak azt, hogy "ön". 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 285 of 1549 20 March 2011 at 10:28am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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A quick couple of questions.
1) Do Hungarians ever make mistakes distinguishing between the letters 'a' and 'o'? I know there is a very small difference in the sound but I can't hear it? 2) What are typical mistakes that perhaps a less educated Hungarian makes in their language? Előre köszönöm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5139 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 286 of 1549 20 March 2011 at 12:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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A új levelem. Azt hiszem, hogy azt írtam nagyon rosszul.
A ÓCSÉM - A FÉRFI AKI SZERETI A MEDVÉKET Én is szeretem a állatokat és többszer ökkel dolgoztam, például a erdőben Costa Ricában és a nagy macskákkal Belizeben, de végül találtam a szenvedélyemet - a világ, a kúltura és a nyelvek, hogy a utolsó levelemetben leírtam. Most akarok valamit a ócsémről írni, mert a életje elég érdekes. Hasonló nekem, sokáig nem tudta, mit fog csinálni sem milyen munkát szeretné. Azért utazott sokat is és kereste a szenvedélyét. Egy önkéntes munka alatt Amerikában, végre azt találta - a medvéket! Minden nyár Amerikában a ócsém vigyaz sok medvékre, a erdőben ételeket a medvéknek letesz, mert a medvéknek az az erdő bistonságos, a vadászat tilos és ő és a többiek ott akarnak, hogy a medvék ez a rész erdőben maradnak, mert itt a közelben a más erdőkben a vadászat nem tilos és nekik veszélyes (vadászati idény alatt). Ott tölt három hónap minden év és aztán visszamegy Angliába néhány hónapra, ahol gyárokban pénzt keres. Aztán, amikor elég pénzje van, megint valahol megy a medvékhez! Szokott menni Horvátországba, de volt is Indiában, Ecuadorban és más országokban. A minden országokbanmedvék miatt volt. A családunknak ez vicces, mert amikor a ócsém fiatalobb, neki hívtük "bear"nek, mert tűnött úgy medvékne - a nagy kéze, lábja, feje vannak és elég magas. Nem tudom, milyen pontos okja van, miért a medvéket szereti - tudom, hogy neki tetsznek a medvék megjelenésjük és személyiségjük, de azt hiszem, hogy főleg szeret lenni és lakni minden nap a természetben és a medvékkel kell lennie a természetben. Ez a életfajtát én is szeretném, de ezek a idők (a medvékkel) között nem szeretnék dolgozni sok hónap a gyárokban. Most Angliában van, de Áprilisban újra megy Horvátországba egy hónapra és akkor egy hónapra Bulgáriába megy. Mindkét kirándulás a medvékhez megy. Hogy mondtam, én is a éllatokat és a természetet szeretem és ha gazdag lennék, ezeket dologokfajtát csinálném. Maxval, tudsz valamit a medvékről Bulgáriában? Vannak sokan ott? Mindennyian, szeretnétek is dolgozni és lakni a természetben vagy inkább szeretnétek a városban lakni? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 287 of 1549 20 March 2011 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Never. For a Hungarian "a" and "o" are completely different! Let me give an example with English so you can understand. For an English native speaker the vowels in the words "bad" and "bed" are completely different, no English will ever say "bad" instead of "bed". These vowels for an English native speaker are two different phonemas - yes, they are close phonemas, but are clearly different. (I know there are English regional differences, I know about the specific New Zealand English, where they pronounce "bad" not as in American or British English, but now lets speak only about the general British English and American English.) A Hungarian will identify the vowels in the English words "bad" and "bed" as the SAME phonema, a Hungarian thinks they are either the same sound or "versions" of the same sound. Many Hungarians even wont be able to identify the difference between them. For an English person it is strange that a Hungarian cant make clear difference between "bad" and "bed". The same way for a Hungarian it is extremely strange that an Englishman thinks the vowels in Hungarian words "kar" and "kor" are similar or the same! So a Hungarian will never make a mistake in this, "a" and "o" are simply clearly different. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 4863 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 288 of 1549 20 March 2011 at 1:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
This is a complex linguistic-philosophic question. It depends on the definition of the word "mistake". I think that a native speaker NEVER makes a mistake in his own native language, its simply impossible! What you call "mistakes" are in reality characteristic properties of dialects and sociolects, not real mistakes. As in every living language, in Hungarian there are also dialects (the difference between Hungarian dialects is considerably less, than between English dialects, with the only exception of the Csángó dialect that is almost unintelligable for most Hungarians), and there are dialects that use constructions absent in the literary language. And also there are sociolects, higher and lower styles. A few examples. In higher style it is considered a "mistake" to use iktelen conjugation for most of the ikes verbs, in 1st person singular present tense indicative mood. Saying "iszok", "eszek", "lakok" instead of "iszom", "eszem", "lakom" is considered uneducated. In spoken language many times many people say -ba/-be instead of -ban/-ben: "a szobába vagyok". In writing this is considerated as very uneducated, also this is considerated as very uneducated in higher style speaking. Other example. In 1st person plural definite conjugation of most verbs ending in -t the "official" grammar demands making difference between indicative and imperative mood by assimilating the ending in imperative mood and by not assimilating it in imperative! For example we say "látjuk" in indicative, but "lássuk" in imperative. In other verbs it is not so, there is usually no difference in 1st person plural definite conjugation between indicative and imperative mood, for example "nézzük" means both indicative and imperative. Uneducated persons simply follow the normal logic of the language and they make no distinction between indicative and imperative even in the case of verbs with -t, when the "official" grammar demands it, so they say "lássuk" for both indicative and imperative. Edited by maxval on 20 March 2011 at 1:40pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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