lloydkirk Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6208 days ago 429 posts - 452 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian
| Message 97 of 346 18 December 2007 at 12:34am | IP Logged |
JamesBates wrote:
Welsh is probably the most useless living language around. Why? For the simple reason that all (and I mean all) Welsh speakers are bilingual in English. |
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If you want to get a job in Wales, you better learn Welsh. So, you undermine its importance. Your argument could be used against many a language. Most Basque and Catalan speakers speak Spanish too. The same could be said about Hindi. No, not every Indian speaks English, but all the educated ones do. Why should anyone bother learning Hindi, James?
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Zorrillo Pentaglot Groupie United States Joined 6179 days ago 41 posts - 82 votes Speaks: English*, French, Sign Language, Spanish, Polish Studies: Greek, Georgian, Indonesian
| Message 98 of 346 18 December 2007 at 2:23am | IP Logged |
There are plenty of languages more "useless" than Welsh. There are many languages with small numbers of speakers and hardly any printed material. Try finding a novel in Navajo. You can find plenty in Welsh. Same goes for the spoken language. It is much easier to find a Welsh speaker to converse with than a Greenlandic speaker.
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cymro Triglot Groupie Wales Joined 6249 days ago 76 posts - 98 votes Speaks: English*, Welsh, French Studies: Italian, Spanish, Latin, Ancient Greek
| Message 99 of 346 18 December 2007 at 4:52am | IP Logged |
JamesBates wrote:
Welsh is probably the most useless living language around. Why? For the simple reason that all (and I mean all) Welsh speakers are bilingual in English. |
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Oh boy! Talk like that could get you lynched around here. :-)
I am a native born Welshman who was raised a monoglot English speaker. I learned Welsh as an adult.
First of all there are some people around still who don't use English much and are happier speaking Welsh. There are also plenty of young children who learn English in School and pre-school don't speak it.
There are plenty of people who prefer Welsh even though their English is perfect.
A little while ago I observed one of my Welsh speaking friends at a meeting. On her seat was a leaflet in English on one side and Welsh on the other, as is often done these days. When she picked up the leaflet she actually turned it over to read the Welsh side. This person's English is probably better than the average English speaker for she is a Doctor who obtained her degree from an English university yet she still chose her native tongue. Having Welsh opens doors.
Of course I love learning languages BUT my justification for learning Welsh was actually its usefulness. I do a lot of media stuff for voluntary organisations and it has proved very useful. In the last 2 months I have appeared on the Welsh language TV news three times.
There is a wealth of beautiful literature which actually dates back earlier than English Learning Welsh has literally been a life changing experience. The Monoglot English speaker Dylan Thomas's poetry obviously gains its greatness through knowledge of the workings of Welsh language poetic forms.
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bushwick Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6039 days ago 407 posts - 443 votes Speaks: German, Croatian*, English, Dutch Studies: French, Japanese
| Message 100 of 346 18 December 2007 at 5:56am | IP Logged |
cymro wrote:
There are plenty of people who prefer Welsh even though their English is perfect.
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knowing this makes me so happy :)
welsh is such a beautiful language and i would really love to learn it.
knowing that it increases in popularity is really great, i hope even more people will speak welsh in wales in the next years.
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MeshGearFox Senior Member United States Joined 6490 days ago 316 posts - 344 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 101 of 346 18 December 2007 at 11:18am | IP Logged |
Primal, which is probably inarguably the worst conlang, conceptually and in practice, ever.
Other than that, probably Spanish because of Bad Experience with Awful Teacher syndrome.
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nhk9 Senior Member Canada Joined 6599 days ago 290 posts - 319 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 102 of 346 21 December 2007 at 8:16pm | IP Logged |
Probably Gaelic... It's not used that much often even by the Irish themselves...
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BelgoHead Senior Member Belgium Joined 6098 days ago 120 posts - 119 votes Studies: French, English* Studies: Esperanto
| Message 103 of 346 22 December 2007 at 12:44am | IP Logged |
I would have to say one of the native american languages or Cantonese.
In other words difficult tonal languages that are needlessly complicated and in the case of native american languages-hardly used at all.
In some native americans that way you talk changes depending if your in water or on land or in a boat-something like that.
Imagine how hard it would be to become fluent and even then who to talk to?(with the exception of cantonese with lots of speakers ofcourse)
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bushwick Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6039 days ago 407 posts - 443 votes Speaks: German, Croatian*, English, Dutch Studies: French, Japanese
| Message 104 of 346 22 December 2007 at 4:41am | IP Logged |
but native american languages are so beautiful :)
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