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Why do people hate Esperanto? | ||
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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6267 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 65 of 72 26 July 2010 at 11:54am | IP Logged | |||||
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Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that only Esperanto speakers were open-
minded people, or that only they could have a lifestyle shaped by international experiences. What I did say is that Esperanto authors have this kind of backdrop, and that shapes the literature they write.
Sure, I just needed a word. Do you have a better one? 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Romanist Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5079 days ago 261 posts - 366 votes Studies: Italian | Message 66 of 72 26 July 2010 at 12:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
I personally would have said: "people in the Esperanto Community". If you talk about a "movement", this could be taken to imply a kind of political zeal or evangelism - which is (I assume) not what Esperanto is all about? Edited by Romanist on 26 July 2010 at 12:12pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6267 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 67 of 72 26 July 2010 at 6:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yeah, "community" is indeed better. In Esperanto, many people, especially Raŭmists, avoid
the word "movado" (movement), while others define it in a much more broad sense than it has in English. For example, "movadaj novaĵoj" are news about what is going on within the community, news about the latest literature and CDs being published and so on. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6757 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 68 of 72 26 July 2010 at 8:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Why do people hate esperanto?
Esperanto is an invented language spoken in particular conventions, clubs , associations where is possible to talk with other esperantistas. In other places is most of the time useless. Somebody like to play chess, or collect stamps , so they meet to enjoy their passion . Somebody else like to speak esperanto or klingon or another cryptic language . More or less is the same thing. The problem is when some esperantist become like a Jeovah Witnees and starts looking for proselytes...In this case people get upset. I prefer interlingua . at least helps me to improuve my knowledge of romance languages ...... 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Juаn Senior Member Colombia Joined 5142 days ago 727 posts - 1830 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 69 of 72 27 July 2010 at 12:50am | IP Logged | |||||
Paradoxically (or not) it is that "small-town people" around the world with all their prejudices, arbitrariness and uniqueness which make learning foreign languages interesting; the culture of the Chinese, Arabs and Swahili which you're trying to approximate through their tongue has been created and is sustained by them. Precisely by not being devoid of content, culture excludes. And just as well; I wouldn't want to spend six years learning Arabic only to find their culture to be the same as mine, as would be the case if everyone happened to learn one tongue of "universal understanding" and accept its premises. When learning a new language, I want to experience difference, distinction, dissonance, not generic, fluffy "open-mindedness". Esperanto might be a good language for parties for perhaps too sophisticated Europeans and such, but it's not going to open up genuinely new experiences and perspectives like a natural language does. 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6267 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 70 of 72 27 July 2010 at 9:48am | IP Logged | |||||
... And how exactly do you know that? Have you been to Esperantujo? Have you talked to a lot of Esperanto speakers? I'm sure the many Japanese / Chinese / Brazilian / West African / Iranian / Vietnamese / Kazakh Esperanto speakers will be impressed with your analysis. This attitude really does not belong on a language forum. If I said that learning Swedish won't open up genuinely new experiences and perspectives (because all Scandinavians speak English and over-adopt American culture, right?), there'd be an outcry. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| mrhenrik Triglot Moderator Norway Joined 5876 days ago 482 posts - 658 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, French Personal Language Map | Message 71 of 72 27 July 2010 at 12:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Moderator mode:
Please folks, try to be a bit respectful and read through your posts from the other party's perspective before you hit the Post Message button. They have made threads like these escalate before though, so I'll consider deleting such posts in the interest of civilised discussion. "A little Consideration, a little Thought for Others, makes all the difference." - Winnie the Pooh (please do not comment on or reply to this here, drop me or another moderator/the administrator a message instead) Edited by mrhenrik on 28 July 2010 at 3:39pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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