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| outcast Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member China Joined 4750 days ago 869 posts - 1364 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, English*, German, Italian, French, Portuguese, Mandarin Studies: Korean | Message 105 of 230 28 July 2013 at 7:28am | IP Logged | |||||
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Special entry 11
Hanzi learned @ 7.27.2013 = 900 801-900 指 旧 舊 (S / T) 历 歷 曆 (S /T1 /T2) 响 響 (S / T) 娜 丁 奶 婆 陆 陸 (S / T) 波 陈 陳 (S / T) 匕 杨 楊 (S / T) 习 習 (S / T) 田 餐 厅 廳 (S / T) 宿 舍 系 繫 (S / T) 宋 花 華 (S / T) 井 聪 聰 (S / T) 主 游 泳 厶 寸 亡 剧 劇 (S /T ) 遍 抱 歉 恐 怕 恩 杂 雜 (S /T) 庄 莊 (S /T) 总 總 (S /T) 责 責 (S /T) 绩 績 (S /T) 负 負 (S /T) 团 團 (S /T) 困 求 勿 忽 物 易 踢 场 場 (S /T) 汤 湯 (S /T) 扬 揚 (S /T) 乃 奶 及 极 極 (S /T) 愿 願 (S /T) 授 专 專 (S /T) 皮 长 長 (S /T) 弓 照 共 狗 未 属 屬 (S /T) 聚 贺 賀 (S /T) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| outcast Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member China Joined 4750 days ago 869 posts - 1364 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English*, German, Italian, French, Portuguese, Mandarin Studies: Korean | Message 106 of 230 28 July 2013 at 7:43am | IP Logged | |||||
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So it is definitely getting harder not so much to learn new characters, but to keep
them all sorted out without confusing one for another. When I did not have that many characters I would not have as many problems confusing them, but now I am always confusing one character for another. To add to the confusion is the increasing number of synonyms or near-synonyms which add another layer to the plot. I guess it is part of the phase as you start getting into the 1000s of characters (I'm nearing 1/4 of the way through "literacy" which most people pan at 3,000 characters). I certainly tend to remember characters better when exposed to them in a word... now of course many here will jump and say "then learn new characters from now on in word contexts"! Two problems, one very minor the other not so: Minor: I have already gone through nearly 1000 characters just through sheer brute rote memorization and other techniques like story making, association of two similar characters, etc. I'm not going to stop now until I cover the 90% of Chinese characters in frequency, as I had set to do. Major: I may remember characters better with words, but I remember WORSE how to write them, or the details. When one learns a new word, is easy to forget to focus on one of the characters and see how it is written, the radical, and other matters. As dull as rote can be, the characters in isolation help me to analyze it and explore it, so I can hang myself to any part of it to make a story in order to remember it better. That facet may be "lost" if I learned them as a part of a group of characters forming words or phrases. Reviewing is tough with so many characters, but I have done a rather good job recently. Next batch of 100 gets me to 1,000. wow. Edited by outcast on 28 July 2013 at 7:46am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Soggycakes Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4378 days ago 7 posts - 15 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Thai, Vietnamese, Russian, Mandarin, Cantonese, French | Message 107 of 230 28 July 2013 at 11:01am | IP Logged | |||||
I've been over the 3000 range for a while, but I almost never confuse anything. I found it harder in the beginning actually as you didn't have enough exposure to the Kanji. I find that focusing on how and when a particular Kanji is used is often more beneficial than the meaning alone. Have you started using a Mandarin-Mandarin dictionary yet or stick to Mandarin-English? If you're only using the English one that may be where a problem is steming from though until you internalize it. :D
I have two decks in Anki for this. One is just the Kanji so I can recall the meaning and how to write it. The other I take the Kanji and find vocab with them in sentences and learn them that way. It's much easier to learn the pronunciations in vocab than it is on an individual basis, at least for Japanese... Mandarin and Cantonese you could probably get away with learning them like that most of the time, but I'd still highly recommend it. It's like knowing 蟋蟀 which is cricket, but the Kanji themselves are read as しつ(shitsu) and しゅつ(shutsu). 蟋蟀 is actually read as こおろぎ(koorogi) though, which is so unintuitive. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| outcast Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member China Joined 4750 days ago 869 posts - 1364 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English*, German, Italian, French, Portuguese, Mandarin Studies: Korean | Message 108 of 230 29 July 2013 at 8:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Right now I feel that my head is going through some major overhaul (ever had that
feeling in your head that last for a week or two, where it almost feels that your head is a major construction project?), so that's also probably why. I think my mind is starting to internalize some aspects of chinese or the characters, and out of this period I will be much sharper in all the pertinent tasks. No way I can use Mandarin-Mandarin. Way too soon for that, since I can't even read that well yet, much less have enough vocabulary. I have not used cards much yet so I will keep your suggestion in mind if/when I create some. Right now I'm just relying on brute rote force for the first 1000-1500 characters, since I don't use time of my day to read Mandarin yet. Thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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Weekly Progress Entry 19
7.26.2013 Ok so I did accomplish my 100 characters, a day or so late. I also did go through lessons 9 and 10 in NPCR, also a day or so late. Unit 6 I am currently finishing off. So in all, it took me a couple of days extra to do all the things I wanted to do by friday. It's OK, I have a really heavy workload with all my languages at the moment, and I have been "fighting" something. This last week or so I've had the feeling that my mind has not been receptive to learning for whatever reason. Like I'm not "totally in it", or my mind is somehow distracted by something else. I have had to put extra effort to learn new material, and that has compensated good enough. But I had troubles at times mustering the mental energy to speak French and German to the same level as the week before. It could be fatigue, I don't know. I also did study Chinese many hours and review hundreds of characters, so that could make not only me fatigued, but also leave me with all these things floating in head which interfere with other tasks. As an optimist, I keep thinking this feeling is due to my brain doing some major renovations to accommodate the new language (Chinese), and that it's like a construction zone: everything is messy, some parts are off limits, and the rest is not operating so smoothly, but once the work is done, things will "click" again at a superior level. I am getting to the point in Chinese where I can with enough effort formulate my first original sentences using the vocabulary I know and the grammar I have internalized. On my own that is not TOO hard, since I have all the time in the world to think what I want to say, and I'm sure 50-50 the sentence is intelligible but not 100% "correct chinese". If forced into a conversation though, I still am way too slow and the word order still trips me a lot. I am trying to find exercises and ways to improve this now that I need or can start creating my own independent, very basic Chinese output. So getting the word order right in speech has rapidly become my main concern. The grammar is still easy for me. The characters are continuing to accumulate and it is more challenging to review them. I will reach 1000 global characters sometime next week, taking away the duplicate traditional variants that would leave me at about 775 (since about 22% of the characters I have learned have a traditional form). Thus, I am roughly 200-300 characters away from reaching the point where most frequency lists and other sources state I should be able to read 90% of standard, non-technical Mandarin texts (since the 1000 most used characters compose 90% of written Chinese). As most people know 90% coverage (whether characters or vocabulary) still leaves still much too in the form of gaps to understand globally any texts, but should at least open the door to begin some very painful reading, if anything to reinforce the character retention in another way than just rote or flashcards. Right now I feel quite honestly a little humbled by all my target languages, there is so much to review, so much to learn, and so many nuances to grasp. It really is more than a full time job, it's like two full time jobs at the moment. This week I will start Unit 7 BSC do lesson 11 NPCR, and at least get 30 new characters in my pile. I feel I am thick in the center of the middle of the beginning. :) Till the next WPE on 8.2.2013!! Edited by outcast on 29 July 2013 at 8:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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Unit Completion Entry 32
Unit 6 Lesson 4 Basic Spoken Chinese 7.30.2013 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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Unit Completion Entry 33
Cycle Two (Lessons 7-26) Book 1 Lesson 9 New Practical Chinese Reader 7.26.2013 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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Unit Completion Entry 34
Cycle Two (Lessons 7-26) Book 1 Lesson 10 New Practical Chinese Reader 8.1.2013 1 person has voted this message useful |
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