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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6399 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 321 of 350 29 May 2015 at 3:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm still so curious about whether smallwhite finishes most books after mining enough vocabulary from them...
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| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4335 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 322 of 350 29 May 2015 at 3:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
But once you've learnt the 1700 words that comprise Alice in Wonderland why bother reading the book? Reading just doesn't seem very efficient to me. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4151 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 323 of 350 29 May 2015 at 3:57pm | IP Logged | |||||
I can't say I finished every book I mined for vocab, but I wouldn't buy a book just to get some words of it, and let it dust on the shelves, unfinished... That's what dictionaries are for :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6399 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 324 of 350 29 May 2015 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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;D true.
As for this...
I wasn't anticipating negativity or sugar-coating criticism. I just thought it was important to show that I don't think smallwhite's (or s_allard's) strategy is 100% bad. It obviously works, the issue is that it's not for everyone, and maybe even not for most. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| rdearman Senior Member United Kingdom rdearman.orgRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5038 days ago 881 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French, Mandarin | Message 325 of 350 29 May 2015 at 5:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
Oh, please! Not this again! :D Edited by rdearman on 29 May 2015 at 5:17pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5278 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 326 of 350 30 May 2015 at 2:12am | IP Logged | |||||
Ok, we were making different points it seems. And while I'm commenting, I agree with your above summary of s-allard and smallwhites methods. If you're clarifying that you want to distance yourself from my comments thats fine and perfectly understandable given your main point was essentially quite different to mine. I quoted you as a lead in to the point I wanted to make regarding smallwhite's apparent tone. Your words seemed to fit for the point I wanted to make. I apologize if you didn't want to be a part of that, I must've misinterpreted you. What you quoted above of myself was only a lead in to my main points/comments, which you weren't obliged to also quote but I just want to let it be known to my masses of fans and followers that I made my point after your quote of myself. I was attempting to point something out I had observed without being completely abrupt about it. If you want to call that sugar-coated criticism then you'd be right. To jump straight into my critical points would've been a little hypocritical considering I was saying smallwhite's responses appeared curt/abrupt/arrogant. Either way we were making different points then Serpent. This is a perfect example of how misunderstandings arise and why elaborating and aiming to understand others with emphathy leads to a friendlier forum. Let's encourage a friendly exchange of ideas... shall we not? And while I'm at it lets encourage an atmosphere of respect of everyone no matter backgrounds, learning styles, flaws, number of languages, experience and so on. We're all human :) [unless of course like me you're part alien, in which case by all means you have every right to point (my current favourite word) at me, yell obscenities and laugh till I cry- it's the least you could do for me] How many cats in a dog? Like 7, for real an' that PM 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5110 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 327 of 350 30 May 2015 at 3:20am | IP Logged | |||||
Okay. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5278 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 328 of 350 30 May 2015 at 9:16am | IP Logged | |||||
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I've been a little late to this thread (as per usual, late, slow, inefficient).
I don't want to overtake the thread, but I'm acutally wanting to get something useful out of it now I've decided. Just seeking advice. I currently enter every single new word I come across into my flashcard deck while I study courses. I see this as intensive study and a good way to acquire vocab. On the contrary, during extensive activities I hardly enter any words. The problem is and I've raised this many times in my own log that it takes so frigging long to add cards. I use a program called flashcards deluxe- which is not slow, I type fast, that's not the issue either. The issue is I add a lot of examples below the word/phrase and this is bloody fiddly. I'm now wondering whether I adapt some aspect of smallwhite's approach and simply keep the cards as simple as possible (i will add small phrases for clarification though to differentiate between adj/noun etc or subtlties in meaning such as: prendre = take [clarification: food or drink], prendre = take [transportation] mettre = to put, to place mettre = take [clarification: route], comprendre [clarification être compose en partie de, être composé partiellement de] = to include, to contain [clarification: to be composed partly of, to be partly made up of] comprendre [clarification: saisir le sens de, se rendre compte de, admettre, concevoir, apprécier] = to understand, to comprehend, to realise, to see, to sympathize with, to have feeling for Anyway I'm considering now that i've passed 10,000 cards to start a completely new deck as I can't bring myself to delete any old cards. This time I would type my answers (i always speak them out loud and flip the card to reveal answer) and I would ONLY enter new words that I am not familiar with/don't understand really easily. I want to justify why i enter easy words such as cognates. I feel it's dangerous to assume a word in English can be Frenchified. Examples, demander, chef, commander and so on. I don't like letting my brain fill in gaps because I feel there are too many booby-traps. Anyway if anyone could offer any advice I'd appreciate it. I know as I've raised this many times some people may be tired of this. I guess the main issue is do I add comprehensive detail to my flashcards or do away with the fluff (except for clarifying phrases) and gain my context from reading and coursess? PM 1 person has voted this message useful |
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