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clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4990 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi
| Message 9 of 21 29 December 2011 at 5:50pm | IP Logged |
I think the term "Asia" is used only as a name of the continent.
Actually, more sientificaly it's called "Eurasia".
I personally divede Asia into:
Mulsim World - Arab countries (including north Africa), Some African Muslim countries,
Persia (Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan), Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Azarbaijan,
Turkey, and maybe Kazakhstan and Kirgistan (if not, they would form a group together
with Mongols, Tuvans, etc as 'nomadic'), and Xinjiang as well(I think they are more
like Turks, and not so Nomadic.
South Asia - India, and maybe South East Asia.
I am a litle confused now.
many regions have mixed culture, and it's hard to classify them - Indonesia - India had
its influence there, but also Arabs (it's a muslim country), Chinese maybe, and finally
Dutch.
Israel, Armenia, Georgia would make groups on their own.
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| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4561 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish
| Message 10 of 21 29 December 2011 at 5:52pm | IP Logged |
Is a Russian from Vladivostok Asian or European?
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| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5227 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean
| Message 11 of 21 29 December 2011 at 6:29pm | IP Logged |
Geography is an arbitrary matter of plate tectonics. Why apply a geological concept to cultural linguistics?
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| darkwhispersdal Senior Member Wales Joined 5852 days ago 294 posts - 363 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Ancient Greek, French, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Mandarin, Japanese, Latin
| Message 12 of 21 30 December 2011 at 4:47pm | IP Logged |
nway wrote:
Geography is an arbitrary matter of plate tectonics. Why apply a geological concept to cultural linguistics? |
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Unfortunately Geography is counted as a Social Science unlike Geology which is a Natural Science so it's more on par with Politics, Economics and Social Policy.
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| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5227 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean
| Message 13 of 21 30 December 2011 at 5:11pm | IP Logged |
^ Well, then we may as well distinguish languages as being either socialist or capitalist...
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| Thor1987 Groupie Canada Joined 4546 days ago 65 posts - 84 votes Studies: German
| Message 14 of 21 30 December 2011 at 5:23pm | IP Logged |
nway wrote:
Geography is an arbitrary matter of plate tectonics. Why apply a
geological concept to cultural linguistics? |
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Because arbitrary matters have huge
effects on culture.
Do you think the american revolution would of happened if it weren't for the north
atlantic. Would china have kept it's culture intact if it weren't for the himmalaya's.
These small features create a great deal of the worlds diversity, whether it be what we
eat, how we look, how we live, our histories, our languages the list goes on. To think
these issues are unimportant considerations for a language learner is a bit much.
Again were talking about just a word or a concept but there is value in the thought.
Anyhow I prefer asia as a continent, because when you start talking about subregions
that are purely cultural you can never agree on anything, as different aspects
religions/race/language/ etc do not always overlap.
I guess at this I'd also have to ask what do you think of asia, as a word or a concept,
or how do you think of those parts of the world.
For me my interest in europe was relatively simple in comparison. Asia as an interest
whatever that may be is such a stange topic.
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| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5227 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean
| Message 15 of 21 30 December 2011 at 5:49pm | IP Logged |
^ North America, Western Europe, and Australia share more in common, culturally, than Lebanon and China, or Japan and Indonesia. The Arabs of the Maghreb share more in common with their fellow Abrahamic neighbors to the north (i.e., southern Europe) than with the Ijaw tribes of Nigeria.
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| Thor1987 Groupie Canada Joined 4546 days ago 65 posts - 84 votes Studies: German
| Message 16 of 21 30 December 2011 at 6:27pm | IP Logged |
nway wrote:
^ North America, Western Europe, and Australia share more in common,
culturally, than Lebanon and China, or Japan and Indonesia. The Arabs of the Maghreb
share more in common with their fellow Abrahamic neighbors to the north (i.e., southern
Europe) than with the Ijaw tribes of Nigeria. |
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No argument there. But I believe
that has to do with the relative size of the continents we're contrasting, with north
africa being an outlier as it usually is. Aside from the himmalaya's all of asia's
cultures generally blends together.
In a ideal world we'd just call it eurasia, and ignore the concepts of continents,
however you loose many important cultural perspectives in the process.
Mongolia, is just a tiny little country in the global perspective, but if you look into
local view, the history of the mongols and their effects on west, central and east
asia, you'd have an entirely different perspective.
Just the same understanding a country like austria in a global or eurasian perspective
is meaningless. As it's just too small to be relevant but if you look at the european
perspective things change quite quickly.
What really baffles me, is how in europe as a general rule everthing is connected, a
war with finland and russia, will spill over to Germany and italy etc. Whereas in asia,
the threads that bind them are very irregular to say the least. Which is why I find the
subject so strange.
The supposed language group of altaic, totally cuts through what many people see as the
concept of asia, just the same with the indo european group.
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