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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6706 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 9 of 22 20 July 2010 at 2:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm pretty sure that the average Joe can get beneficial results from studying just about any language and then Esperanto (instead of just Esperanto), but nobody would probably be interested in doing such a test.
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| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6900 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 10 of 22 20 July 2010 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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Isn't the proposed benefit of doing Esperanto first to provide a platform of successful foreign language learning... i.e. to get over the "learning another language is hard" hurdle?
I can't see the benefit in me pausing my Dutch studies to learn Esperanto or how it will possibly accelerate my learning - the exact opposite in fact. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Enriquee Triglot Groupie United States esperantofre.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5132 days ago 51 posts - 125 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Esperanto, English | Message 11 of 22 20 July 2010 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Jeff said:
>I'm pretty sure that the average Joe can get beneficial >results from studying just about any language and then >Esperanto (instead of just Esperanto), Learning any language helps the learning of the next one. But learning Esperanto can be accomplished in a small fraction of the time that takes to learn any other language. 15 - 20 hours are enough to finish the basic course, what allows you to start using the language ... with mistakes. A second course, or practice, will get you enough fluency in about 100 hours. You will need from 500 to 2000 hours to get to the same stage when learning other languages. >but nobody would probably be interested in doing such >a test. Thousands of Esperanto speakers are the consequence of such a test. There are also lots of Esperanto speakers that had never intended to learn a second language, or had studied several years and got nowhere, that after learning Esperanto, went on to learn one or more other languages. Andy said: >Isn't the proposed benefit of doing Esperanto first to >provide a platform of successful foreign language >learning... i.e. to get over the "learning another language >is hard" hurdle? This is one of the reasons. It works. >I can't see the benefit in me pausing my Dutch studies >to learn Esperanto or how it will possibly accelerate my >learning You are right. If you don't learn Esperanto, you will never see the benefits. You shouldn't stop your language learning. Just take a few hours to learn Esperanto. You don't need years of studying to learn Esperanto. After a few hours of learning Esperanto, you will be able to contact Dutch speakers that will be more than pleased to help you learn their language ... while practicing Esperanto. >the exact opposite in fact. I don't understand this sentence. Do you mean that you lost your knowledge of Dutch while studying Esperanto? Any Esperanto speaker that had learned another language knows that it works. Many of us, had started Esperanto in the middle of learning other language. I was trying to learn English when I discovered Esperanto. After being able to communicate in Esperanto, I started to understand English. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| mrhenrik Triglot Moderator Norway Joined 5876 days ago 482 posts - 658 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, French Personal Language Map | Message 12 of 22 20 July 2010 at 5:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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The study linked to in this thread shows how Esperanto is a good motivational factor to get over the "I can't learn a language"-barrier before going on to other languages, just like the recorder is a good (?), albeit noisy, motivational factor to get over the "I can't play music"-barrier before going on to other instruments.
How does this benefit any of us, who mostly speak another language already or have at least gotten over the barrier? I am aware of how quick Esperanto is to learn, but that is hardly relevant. If the benefits are so obvious, why can't you just tell us what they are instead of telling us to "learn it and see for yourself" as if we'd get some sort of epiphany and understand why we can't tell anyone what it really is that is so beneficial. Right now it seems like you're taking a rather subjective approach to this. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6900 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 13 of 22 20 July 2010 at 5:30pm | IP Logged | ||
No I meant that the time taken to learn Esperanto is time I won't be spending learning Dutch - so instead of speeding it up it will actually slow it down. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6757 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 14 of 22 20 July 2010 at 10:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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If you want learn a conlang that can help you to learn other languages
interlingua the modern latin , is the best choice ( a natural bridge to Italian,spanish,portuguese,french and roumanian) www.interlingua.com 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| joha87 Newbie United States Joined 5543 days ago 14 posts - 21 votes Studies: Korean, English* Studies: German | Message 15 of 22 21 July 2010 at 3:04am | IP Logged | ||
Thanks for the answer. I was guessing it would be something like this, but I figure now that I can just take the English Language materials for French that I have and start translating them into Esperanto, which would be valuable practice anyhow. Also, Enriquee, I'm aware of the studies that show that Esperanto is a huge stepping stone to learning other languages, especially romance ones. That's one of the biggest reasons that I decided to learn it, actually. As for the FIA series, I've heard how great it was and I already planned to use it fully in my french studies alongside other learning materials. And my french learning strategy is centered around quickly moving into all-french language materials, though I'm not much for a full naturalistic method. The only English materials that I'm planning on using is a grammar outline for beginners like Schaum's, a frequency dictionary, and FSI French. For the rest, outside of FIA, I have the reflets textbooks and the grammaire and vocabulaire progressive du francais series of books from CLE. Edited by joha87 on 21 July 2010 at 3:14am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Romanist Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5079 days ago 261 posts - 366 votes Studies: Italian | Message 16 of 22 21 July 2010 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | ||
That's a very interesting link, Vilas. I had never even heard of Interlingua before seeing this, yet I found I could understand it more easily than many Italian or Spanish websites! Interlingua seems different from most constructed languages in the sense that it realistically could have emerged in Europe as a kind of "General Romance" - i.e. a modern form of Vulgate Latin, radically simplified by the passages of time. (Who knows, maybe we would all be speaking something very much like this today, if the Roman Empire had not declined and fell?) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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