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| joha87 Newbie United States Joined 5543 days ago 14 posts - 21 votes Studies: Korean, English* Studies: German | Message 1 of 22 17 July 2010 at 5:58am | IP Logged | ||
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Is this possible? Are there any materials in Esperanto for learning other languages? Mainly I'm thinking about for French and just basic grammar books, like Schaum's Outline of French Grammar, really. And possibly any graded readers with a bilingual Esperanto-French format. Do such language materials exist? And if they do, how good are their quality? Can they stack up against similar materials for English speakers?
Of course, I could find out this information probably if I could read Esperanto, but I'm not at that level, and this is just for the somewhat more distant future, since french is on my hitlist. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6236 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes  Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 2 of 22 17 July 2010 at 4:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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Esperanto is a small language. There are some nice materials in it, but nowhere near the amount that there are in English.
There are some bilingual books; I haven't seen graded readers, but I haven't looked. There are also some good dictionaries and phrase books. Everything tends to be the labor of love of an individual or small group, though, so don't expect to find large series. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Enriquee Triglot Groupie United States esperantofre.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5132 days ago 51 posts - 125 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Esperanto, English | Message 3 of 22 20 July 2010 at 1:13am | IP Logged | ||
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>and this is just for the somewhat
>more distant future, since french >is on my hitlist. Do you know that it takes LESS time to learn Esperanto and French, than just learning French? Do you know that the best course to learn French is in French, not in English? Here is the address of the introduction in English to this best French course ... Everything else is in French. But, remember, you will save time if you start with Esperanto. It will take you about 15 hours to complete the basic Esperanto course. Kurso de Esperanto: http://www.kurso.com.br/index.php?en French:(From Yale University) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKSSF9Mt480 Enrique 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| mrhenrik Triglot Moderator Norway Joined 5876 days ago 482 posts - 658 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, French Personal Language Map | Message 4 of 22 20 July 2010 at 1:49am | IP Logged | ||
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Do you have any sources for any of those claims?
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| Enriquee Triglot Groupie United States esperantofre.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5132 days ago 51 posts - 125 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Esperanto, English | Message 5 of 22 20 July 2010 at 5:34am | IP Logged | ||
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>Do you have any sources for any of those claims?
French: As you must know, everything you tube is a 10-minute file. The Yale University course has 52 lessons of 26 minutes each ... about 22 hours in total ... 156 youtube files. The first lesson in English, takes 3 files. The other 153 files are French only. Watch at least half an hour of the French only files, and tell me what you think of that. The whole thing was made by Yale University ... in 1987. More info at http://fiafans.org/about http://www.learner.org/r esourc es/ser ies83. html?pop=yes&pid=684# Esperanto: There are some sources about my claims ... all written in Esperanto. There are references to at least 10 experiments in many countries. One of the earlier ones, in Columbia University, New York City, 1924. I don't need those testimonials. I can assert those claims from my own experience. First, my own learning English got a little better after I learned Esperanto ... 50 years ago. Then, many more similar experiences from Esperanto speakers I met in different occasions. Then ... I have been teaching Esperanto by email for many years, and I can see the reactions of those that have finished at least one course. Another source: A famous Esperanto speaker, by the name of Claude Piron, left this world 2 years ago at the age of 76. He learned Esperanto when he was 12. The fact that he was capable of speaking another language after a short learning period, and the connections he made through Esperanto (no Internet at that time) helped him to try another languages. His native language was French. After Esperanto he learned Chinese, and then several other languages. He worked 6 years as a translator for the United Nations, and then went to work for the Health World Organization. Because he knew several languages, his work took him to many countries, where he always met local Esperanto speakers. http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v =_YHAL nLV9XU http://esperantofre.com/ book/i ndex.htm#piron (No matter how many times I re-edit this post, the web addresses always appear with spaces. Make sure to remove any spaces from these addresses) Enrique Edited by Enriquee on 20 July 2010 at 6:46am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| mrhenrik Triglot Moderator Norway Joined 5876 days ago 482 posts - 658 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, French Personal Language Map | Message 6 of 22 20 July 2010 at 10:07am | IP Logged | ||
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You can assert from your own experience that it is quicker to learn Esperanto and French than just French? You've tried both? I would be interested in some links to these sources if you have, even if they're in Esperanto.
Personal anecdotes helps for you, but they're not very convincing for me. How does your improvement with English support your claim that Esperanto+French is learnt quicker than just French? Similarly, I'm sure Claude Piron was a fantastic person, but I'm equally sure there's similar stories and persons who learnt French or English and used those languages to become a polyglot, without that being a testament to either language's ability to superspeed your language learning. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6267 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 7 of 22 20 July 2010 at 10:08am | IP Logged | ||
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There is a detailed listing of experiments proving this claim at
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Propaedeutic_value_of _Esperanto . This used to be a Wikipedia article but Wikipedia decided to merge it into the main Esperanto article, losing a lot of the detail and references. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Romanist Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5079 days ago 261 posts - 366 votes Studies: Italian | Message 8 of 22 20 July 2010 at 1:58pm | IP Logged | ||
These experiments seem to have been carried out either directly by the Esperanto University in San Marino, or by people who were/are very closely involved with that institution. Obviously, this does not automatically invalidate the integrity of these studies. But one should be somewhat sceptical about experiments carried out by researchers who have a personal or vested interest in getting a particular result, I think. To be convinced, I would also want to see some research done by completely independent people. Edited by Romanist on 20 July 2010 at 2:06pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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