CindytheKana Newbie Philippines NoneRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3332 days ago 22 posts - 29 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 9 of 16 08 April 2015 at 11:42pm | IP Logged |
These are great tips! Thank you.
SteveRidout I will definitely let you know if I try it out. Thanks!
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rtickner Diglot Groupie AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3320 days ago 61 posts - 95 votes Speaks: English*, GermanB2 Studies: French, Spanish
| Message 10 of 16 09 April 2015 at 7:33am | IP Logged |
I've used Anki quite successfully to bootstrap language learning in the early stages, discarding it entirely once I've developed a basic reading ability.
I either create a deck (or use an existing shared deck) of the top 5000 most frequent words in the language. Front side is your native language, back side is in the target language (it's more work to come up with the target translation of a native word than a native translation of a target word - e.g. if you're learning French, and you see "hello", you need to come up with "bonjour", which is harder than seeing "bonjour" and having to come up with "hello").
I then set the New Words per Day to 200 and go for broke.
The month it takes to process these cards is a hell of a ride, but in a good way. It usually takes an hour or two per day to get through the flashcards, but you can couple it with your leisure time, by going for a long walk for example.
At the end of the month, I deleted the deck and started reading books, which act as a natural SRS, with gripping storylines and compelling characters to boot.
A disclaimer - I have only done this with German, French and Swedish - three languages close to my own. It worked great for German and French, with the Swedish I set the bar too high (tried to get to 10,000, life got in the way and I stopped at 8,000). I didn't do any reading in Swedish afterwards, and apart from having a fairly basic conversation with a Swedish backpacker, after 3 years the majority of it has mysteriously vanished.
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sfuqua Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4567 days ago 581 posts - 977 votes Speaks: English*, Hawaiian, Tagalog Studies: Spanish
| Message 11 of 16 01 May 2015 at 8:14pm | IP Logged |
I did about 11000 sentence cards of Spanish. I deleted them when I got bored with them. I finally dropped anki a few weeks ago.
My anki cards definitely had a big, positive accent on my Spanish, but it was no substitution for actual reading and speaking.
It is a wonderful tool in the beginning.
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luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7007 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French
| Message 12 of 16 02 May 2015 at 12:31am | IP Logged |
I don't know about "best way", but I have started a "new way".
I'm reading, listen/reading, reading/listening, and listening to a fairly difficult book. I've been through it a few
times. I still don't know all the words. I've created a deck with phrases from the original and translation.
The beauty here is that the phrases remind me of the plot, so not only do I have cards of the challenging
words, there is a reminder of the building storyline.
The challenging words and their translation are in a different color to offset them from the phrase.
Since I'm still winding my way through the book, there is this extra support for the parts that would normally
lead to head scratching and mind wandering when I get in the deep water.
Edited by luke on 02 May 2015 at 7:06pm
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Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4151 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 13 of 16 02 May 2015 at 10:07am | IP Logged |
How do you know you remember the word, and not the situation in the plot (from which you
extrapolate what the word means)?
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chaotic_thought Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 3344 days ago 129 posts - 274 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Dutch, French
| Message 14 of 16 02 May 2015 at 10:33am | IP Logged |
Ezy Ryder wrote:
How do you know you remember the word, and not the situation in the plot (from which you
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Being able to extrapolate what a word means is exactly the same as knowing the meaning of the word. The more reliably and quickly we can perform this extrapolation task, the better we know that word.
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Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4151 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 15 of 16 02 May 2015 at 11:40am | IP Logged |
You forgot about the "remember [...] the situation in the plot (from which you
extrapolate [...]."
In other words, this particular context might serve as a hint, a hint you wouldn't
necessarily get when reading something else.
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luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7007 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French
| Message 16 of 16 02 May 2015 at 7:09pm | IP Logged |
I'm using the "phrase from difficult book" method differently than I do a typical Anki word card. It is a
reminder. If the phrase goes from "head scratching and mind wandering" to "understood", I've reached my
current goal.
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