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| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4658 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes  Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 9 of 344 30 January 2012 at 4:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Thanks for pointing that out! I could easily see the connection of public between civil servant, public phone and public holiday, but I wouldn't have automatically thought it's also part of park and performance. It seems a lot of the words I still have to study are Sino-Korean and I'm debating with myself whether I should start studying Hanja sometime soon.
That grammar website was definitely a lucky find. The search function is great for looking up unknown grammar and it seems pretty comprehensive.
It's definitely hard to completely escape KPop, but once you get to the K-Indie part of youtube you can happily surf from one indie song to the next. A good place to start is orienkorean's channel. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6019 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 10 of 344 30 January 2012 at 10:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Where did you get this list? I was trying to find it but wasn't able to. What would you recommend for a beginner starting with Korean? FSI, Pimsleur, Assimil, Integrated Korean?? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4658 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 11 of 344 31 January 2012 at 2:19am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Luckily I found instructions in German how to download it off the official TOPIK webiste. Without them I would've been totally lost. If you go to topik.go.kr you need to find 정부 마당 in the upper right corner of the page, then choose the 3rd option: 자류실. When you click that, you get a list of downloads. For Beginner find the folder "한국어능력시험 초급 어휘 목록 안내", it's currently on page 3. It's one Excel file and it contains around 1500 words. Beginner file now also uploaded here: TOPIK Beginner. For Intermediate, find the folders called "한국어능력시험 중급 어휘 및 문법 목록1" and "한국어능력시험 중급 어휘 및 문법 목록2". They are currently on the 2nd page. Download the 8 pdf-files in there. It's a rather unwieldy list. From page 12 to page 134 there's a huge list of vocabulary they seem to have tested for occurence in TOPIK exams. From page 134 (in pdf 5) onward the most relevant (that's how I interpret it) vocabulary is repeated. Intermediate files now also uploaded here: TOPIK Intermediate. Are you planning to take the TOPIK exam? If you have any trouble finding/downloading the files, I could also email or upload them.
Out of what you listed I only used Integrated Korean (1st book only so far). I tried FSI once later on but must say I didn't enjoy it - whether it works I can't say. I have no experiences with Assimil and Pimsleur, so I can't really comment, but I guess any course book with audio dialogue and drills will do the job. Generally, I don't think there's an approach that works equally well for everyone, so I guess the best is to look into many resources and go with any- and everything that seems useful to you. Maybe explaining how I studied and emphasising some things I found important will be more instructive: First of all, I got and still get a lot of language exposure, due to a severe case of drama fandom :) I'd definitely recommend getting used to the sounds a bit (or a lot) before starting to study and then to keep listening to native materials throughout. I notice a lot of people complain that they have trouble with pronunciation and listening and can see how they might have that problem, but because I get lots of practice I find listening to be easiest. Maybe that's commonsense anyway, but learn Hangeul at the beginning, it makes a lot of sense and will probably help with understanding the sounds and it's easy to pick up anyway. I'd also recommend reading through the phonetic rules of Korean (Integrated Korean has a good overview in its Alphabet section) and staying aware of them when you study. Phonological change is consistent, but can be confusing if you don't know the rules. I started studying not so seriously with free online material (mostly the engaging Seoul University Language Education Course, nice for learning to pronounce the consonants & vowels) and then went on to teach myself and a friend with Integrated Korean Beginning 1 book & audio. It works for self study and I personally liked its grammar explanations and general structure. The texts aren't really that great (very university-centered topics), but sufficient. After that I took university courses (most of the time rather laid-back) until last summer, now I'm back to self-study. It seems you already started studying Korean? How's it going? What are you studying with? If you need any pointers, let me know and I'll see if I can help. Edited by druckfehler on 25 February 2012 at 6:28pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6019 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 12 of 344 31 January 2012 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Thanks so much for the links!
Yeah, right now I've got a goal to finish Assimil and Pimsleur in Mandarin by June - but I keep getting drawn back to Korean! There are so many more Korean speakers than CHinese speakers in my town. So, for the next 6 months anyway Chinese will be my wife but Korean can be my mistress! ;-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4658 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 13 of 344 05 February 2012 at 8:36pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Sunday, 5th of February - 2nd Week
song: 캐스커 - 향 (Scent) new words studied: 70 texts written: 5 episodes watched: 2 pages read: 16 This week I've been experimenting more with grammar rules and different ways of expressing the same concepts in my writing. I'm slowly converting passive into active knowledge while also learning new vocabulary (systematically) and grammar (as it comes up). When I took the Beginner TOPIK writing was my weakest area, but I think if I keep up the writing exercises it will at least level with the other areas. I noticed that the words I have the most trouble remembering are those I didn't write texts with, so I'll try to do the writing everyday. Realistically seen I'll always miss some days though, and then I'll just have to add the words to Anki without having used them first. I also looked at the children's books I bought in Korea and was surprised that I can enjoyably read one of them (김치를 좋아하는 마녀) without a dictionary. I don't know 5-10 words per page, but often they're not the important ones and I understand 80% of the sentences. I feel that reading benefits my writing and comprehension a lot, so I'm planning to do more of it. I won't look up every unknown word, but will look up repeated ones. Things to take away from this week: Do not underestimate the blogosphere as a corpus for language research/detective work! When I'm unsure about the right way to use grammar and expressions and can't find a fitting example sentence on Naver's Korean-English dictionary I type the stuff into google to see if it's an expression Koreans use. It works. Do use hobbies you always wanted to expand on in your language learning quest! Personally, I've always liked creative writing, so giving myself 10 must-use words and seeing what kind of story I can come up with combines study and fun. new grammar: -어/아 달라고 하다 Ask so. to do sth. -(으)나 But (formal version of -지만) -(으)며 While doing sth. (similar to -(으)면서) -(이)며 And, or (similar to -하고) Edited by druckfehler on 09 February 2012 at 3:22am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5325 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 14 of 344 06 February 2012 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Where did you read that (으)며 was more formal than (으)면서? As a contraction, it has always struck me as less formal (like most contractions), if anything. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4658 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 15 of 344 07 February 2012 at 3:33am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The site I linked to mentions that it is the "literary equivalent", which in my mind translated to formal. But now that you mention it, I've also heard it in a lot of informal contexts. This prompted me to check it in a bilingual novel and they use both forms, but I can't see any difference in context. Is it absolutely interchangeable then?
I've somehow always been confused by (으)며 and the explanation I liked to doesn't quite clear it up, either. By the way, thanks for your helpful comments! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5325 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 16 of 344 08 February 2012 at 12:53am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I did note that wording on the site, but I've not seen it used in contexts that are any more formal than (으)면서. From what I've seen, they do seem to be full interchangeable. I'm not saying there isn't a difference, just that I've yet to see an appreciable difference between them myself. Edited by Warp3 on 08 February 2012 at 12:55am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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