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 Message 25 of 48
30 October 2011 at 8:26pm | IP Logged 
Ari wrote:
Yeah, I was just about to mention that. I think the word "orange" in Swedish has to a certain extent
replaced the older "brandgul", but the latter is still very much correct. And, as has been pointed out, the fruit is
called "apelsin". So there you go. Three words. Swedish wins!

For the colour we have at least four words in Norwegian: oransje, branngul (fire yellow), rødgul (red yellow) and
appelsinfarga (orange coloured). Norwegian wins!
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 Message 26 of 48
30 October 2011 at 11:44pm | IP Logged 
These names are in use in Swedish too:

brandgul - 89 300 hits (107 000 hits globally)
rödgul - 187 000 hits (204 000 hits globally)
apelsinfärgad - 242 000 hits (961 000 hits globally), you'll find all sorts of nuances if you add -färgad to an object or base colour (mandarinfärgad, lorangafärgad...)
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 Message 27 of 48
30 October 2011 at 11:45pm | IP Logged 
Ketutar wrote:
In Albanian both the fruit and color is "portokalli"


In Georgian too the word for the fruit is ფორთოხალი (portoxhali). I've no idea where
the roots of this word lie.

The word for the colour in Georgian is ნარანჯისფერი (naranjisperi). "Peri" means
colour, and the root "naranj" (-is indicates the genitive) is, according to a quick
Google search, a borrowing from Persian that has also been adopted by Spanish.

Georgian borrows many words from Persian, so no surprise there, but the respective links
with Albanian and Spanish are very interesting.
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 Message 28 of 48
30 October 2011 at 11:58pm | IP Logged 
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
These names are in use in Swedish too:

brandgul - 89 300 hits (107 000 hits globally)
rödgul - 187 000 hits (204 000 hits globally)
apelsinfärgad - 242 000 hits (961 000 hits globally), you'll find all sorts of nuances if you add -färgad to an object or base colour (mandarinfärgad, lorangafärgad...)


Just as you'd find all sorts of nuances if you attached '-y' to any colour and hyphenated it with the next:
orangey-red - 404.000 hits
orangey-pink - 137.000 hits
orangey-pinky-blue - 6 hits (someone, please, show me that colour in an image)

:-)
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 Message 29 of 48
31 October 2011 at 5:33am | IP Logged 
TixhiiDon wrote:
Ketutar wrote:
In Albanian both the fruit and color is "portokalli"


In Georgian too the word for the fruit is ფორთოხალი (portoxhali). I've no idea where
the roots of this word lie.

The word for the colour in Georgian is ნარანჯისფერი (naranjisperi). "Peri" means
colour, and the root "naranj" (-is indicates the genitive) is, according to a quick
Google search, a borrowing from Persian that has also been adopted by Spanish.

Georgian borrows many words from Persian, so no surprise there, but the respective
links with Albanian and Spanish are very interesting.


All adaptations of the naraj- line can be traced back to Sanskrit. Of course Sanskrit
may have borrowed it from another even older language.

"Portokalli" = Portugal. It refers to Portugal's status as the main importer of oranges
from East to West around the 16th century. This seems to suggest that oranges made
their way from China/India to Portugal before spreading East again towards the
Caucusus. Portugal likely accomplished this with their maritime prowess as well as the
discovery of a sea route between East and West via the Cape of Good Hope. Would also
seem to suggest that few (or no) oranges were actively traded along the Silk Road.

Edited by strikingstar on 31 October 2011 at 5:38am

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 Message 30 of 48
31 October 2011 at 7:08am | IP Logged 
strikingstar wrote:
TixhiiDon wrote:
Ketutar wrote:
In Albanian both the fruit and
color is "portokalli"


In Georgian too the word for the fruit is ფორთოხალი (portoxhali). I've no idea
where
the roots of this word lie.

The word for the colour in Georgian is ნარანჯისფერი (naranjisperi). "Peri" means
colour, and the root "naranj" (-is indicates the genitive) is, according to a quick
Google search, a borrowing from Persian that has also been adopted by Spanish.

Georgian borrows many words from Persian, so no surprise there, but the respective
links with Albanian and Spanish are very interesting.


All adaptations of the naraj- line can be traced back to Sanskrit. Of course Sanskrit
may have borrowed it from another even older language.

"Portokalli" = Portugal. It refers to Portugal's status as the main importer of oranges
from East to West around the 16th century. This seems to suggest that oranges made
their way from China/India to Portugal before spreading East again towards the
Caucusus. Portugal likely accomplished this with their maritime prowess as well as the
discovery of a sea route between East and West via the Cape of Good Hope. Would also
seem to suggest that few (or no) oranges were actively traded along the Silk Road.


Fascinating! Thanks for the information.
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 Message 31 of 48
31 October 2011 at 7:33am | IP Logged 
strikingstar wrote:
In the case of the orange, I've always found it curious that the color and the fruit share the same name. This occurs without any exceptions across all the languages that I know.


Danish "appelsin" (probably from Low German, and ultimately derived from the word for 'apple') doesn't look quite like the word for the colour, "orange".

Right now I'm trying to remember another word for beige than "beige" in any language.
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 Message 32 of 48
31 October 2011 at 8:15am | IP Logged 
Translation of the fruit "orange" and the colour "orange":

1. German: die Apfelsine - orange
2. Dutch: de sinaasappel - oranje
3. French: l'orange - orange
4. Italian: l'arancia - arancione
5. Spanish: la naranja - naranja
6. Esperanto: la orangxo - orangxkolora
7. Turkish: portakal - portakalrengi
8. Danish: appelsin - orange, orangefarvet
9. Portuguese: la laranja (EDIT)- cor-de-laranja
10. Swedish: appelsin - orange, orangefärgad

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Edited by Fasulye on 01 November 2011 at 8:06am



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