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nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5209 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean
| Message 17 of 38 31 August 2011 at 4:56am | IP Logged |
Languages exist for the sake of their native speakers, not foreign learners.
If it makes you feel better, think of dialects as separate languages. After all, if the dialects are so different from one another as to not be mutually intelligible, they mas as well be considered different languages.
It'd be like if Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese were all considered dialects of a single "Romance" language, and you were upset that Spaniards speak Spanish, Italians speak Italian, and so on. It's THEIR language, and they can speak whatever they like. And as for the dialects nominally being considered the same language, what's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. -.-
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| koba Heptaglot Senior Member AustriaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5662 days ago 118 posts - 201 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Hungarian, French
| Message 18 of 38 11 December 2011 at 1:15pm | IP Logged |
As long as there is a standard language that is understandable to everyone, I don't see the reason why dialects shouldn't coexist. They even enrich the language, there are lots of idioms and words that are very characteristic of a certain region and that you won't hear elsewhere and I think it's quite funny to hear variations of the same language. The only problem is that there are usually not too many books to learn dialects so you will probably have to spend some time in the region to really master it. (my experience with Austrian dialects)
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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6233 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 19 of 38 11 December 2011 at 3:11pm | IP Logged |
Chung wrote:
Note that most of us English-speakers are fairly tolerant of other accents but consistency or using the language in ways that don't stand out for the wrong reasons is the way to go (especially when using the language orally, but even some of us on this forum may argue about the veracity of things such as "dove" and "dived" or "aluminum" or "aluminium") And even if you speak with the same general accent but deliberately use words that are not associated with the accent of that variant, you could raise eyebrows or even cause potential misunderstandings. For example, when I hear Americans say things such as "they played attractive football" ("football" here meaning "soccer", rather than "American" football) or say "they live on the first floor" (but in the British English sense where "first floor" refers to the floor above the ground floor; in North American English, we'd call this floor "the second floor"), I would wonder why are they speaking to me in the accent that I'm used to, but using words according to the sense or meaning understood in a different variant. It's kind of like how I noticed that Canadian professor who spoke indistinguishibly from other North Americans until I heard him pronounce "France" like the British (I wonder now how he would pronounce the 'a' in something like "to be frank..." :-P Would it sound like "to be fronk"? or "to be frahnk"?). |
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To the extent that I still sound like I have a native accent in English, it's a hard-to-place mixture of various North American ones. Despite this, I find that people actively prefer me to use British terms when I'm in England: people expect me to use 'first floor' in the local way, prefer me to say 'quid' rather than 'pound', and stop blinking fast by the second time I say "take the mickey".
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| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5050 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish
| Message 20 of 38 11 December 2011 at 5:10pm | IP Logged |
If dialects did not exist, we wouldn't have to worry about learning Spanish or German or French or even Persian for we all would be still speaking Indoeuropean.
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5175 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 21 of 38 11 December 2011 at 5:12pm | IP Logged |
Isn't this like asking if babies should exist?
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| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5209 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean
| Message 22 of 38 11 December 2011 at 6:39pm | IP Logged |
Arekkusu wrote:
Isn't this like asking if babies should exist? |
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Well, should they?
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| GRagazzo Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4755 days ago 115 posts - 168 votes Speaks: Italian, English* Studies: Spanish, Swedish, French
| Message 23 of 38 11 December 2011 at 6:43pm | IP Logged |
I think dialects are extremely important since they bring you closer to a native
community. Being that the only way to learn certain dialects is to go to where that
dialect is spoken (at least that's the case with Sicilian). And also for heritage
speakers like me learning Italian isn't enough, learning your heritage dialect brings you
even closer to your roots!
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5175 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 24 of 38 11 December 2011 at 6:43pm | IP Logged |
nway wrote:
Arekkusu wrote:
Isn't this like asking if babies should exist? |
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Well, should they? |
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No babies, no you.
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