Akao aka FailArtist Senior Member United States Joined 5145 days ago 315 posts - 347 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Toki Pona
| Message 1 of 25 02 May 2011 at 6:09am | IP Logged |
I'm learning Swedish and the pronunciation is quite frightening as most of the languages
I've dabbled in were pretty phonetic.
How do you get past this?
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tibbles Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5000 days ago 245 posts - 421 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Korean
| Message 2 of 25 02 May 2011 at 7:46am | IP Logged |
I thought the most daunting part of Swedish was the "sj" sound like in its words for seven, chocolate, or Copenhagen. Isn't most of Swedish pronunciation fairly approachable for the American tongue as opposed to say Danish with its soft pronunciation?
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egill Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5505 days ago 418 posts - 791 votes Speaks: Mandarin, English* Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 3 of 25 02 May 2011 at 8:12am | IP Logged |
I'm assuming you're referring to the orthography, as Swedish is I'm sure just as
phonetic as any other language (ok maybe excluding manual languages).
If I have interpreted you correctly, you're saying that sounds don't map to symbols very
well. This doesn't seem to be too bad with Swedish, as most pronunciations look to be
predictable from spelling. There does seems to be a lot of assimilation going on, e.g.
pre/post-rhotic vowel lowering/retroflexion resp., but again these do look to be regular
and predictable from spelling.
If by not phonetic you just mean lots of phonemes and therefore harder, then I might
agree with you there!
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lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5107 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes
| Message 4 of 25 02 May 2011 at 1:49pm | IP Logged |
Akao wrote:
I'm learning Swedish and the pronunciation is quite frightening as most of the languages
I've dabbled in were pretty phonetic.
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English is frightening, Swedish is not so difficult, really :-)
Why not start with something like this ? There are many similarities with English, so that your main task is to find out, which written letters and letter combinations are very different from it. Write them on a piece of paper, and whenever you read a word which contains such a difficulty, look it up. I think most of it can be done in a day (and for being perfect you may want to invest some more years, let's ignore this for now.)
Edited by lingoleng on 02 May 2011 at 1:50pm
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Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6468 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin
| Message 5 of 25 02 May 2011 at 1:50pm | IP Logged |
Well, you’ll have to learn the rules — because they do exist. In school we’re at an early age taugh about the tj-
sound, the sj-sound, the j-sound and the various ways to spell them. Almost always you can predict how to
pronounce a word you read though it might be hard to know how to spell it if heard. A little google search found
this wich basicly sums up what we’re taught right after our ABC. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Swedish_spelling
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Akao aka FailArtist Senior Member United States Joined 5145 days ago 315 posts - 347 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Toki Pona
| Message 6 of 25 02 May 2011 at 8:35pm | IP Logged |
Thanks. I understand it's not as hard as French but to me it's still really hard
listening.
The links are helpful.
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lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5107 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes
| Message 7 of 25 02 May 2011 at 8:46pm | IP Logged |
Akao wrote:
... but to me it's still really hard
listening. ... |
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Yes, of course, that's no surprise, don't worry. The time, when it all sounds natural and normal, (even without any comprehension,) is a first milestone, already.
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Akao aka FailArtist Senior Member United States Joined 5145 days ago 315 posts - 347 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Toki Pona
| Message 8 of 25 02 May 2011 at 8:49pm | IP Logged |
lingoleng wrote:
Yes, of course, that's no surprise, don't worry. The time, when it all
sounds natural and normal, (even without any comprehension,) is a first milestone,
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I'll be greatly looking forward to that then haha
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