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| minus273 Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5556 days ago 288 posts - 346 votes  Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Ancient Greek, Tibetan | Message 9 of 41 27 April 2009 at 6:37am | IP Logged | |||||
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Sichuanese is just a Mandarin dialect, so you are expected to pick it up. (Well, if you are in Sichuan you can buy foreign films dubbed into Sichuanese, but elsewhere dunno how)
For Shanghainese, some introductory courses exist in various remote corners of the internet, then you can read small dictionaries and watch 孽债 etc., but that's not optimal. Well. :( 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| minus273 Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5556 days ago 288 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Ancient Greek, Tibetan | Message 10 of 41 27 April 2009 at 6:42am | IP Logged | |||||
To me, Hakka resembles more dear little Mandarin than southern dialects. (main vowels, etc.) And the Moiyen tones sound suspiciously close to SW Mandarin. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5557 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 11 of 41 27 April 2009 at 7:10am | IP Logged | |||||
(I found myself dreaming about that library last night. One day.) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Budz Octoglot Senior Member Australia languagepump.com Joined 6164 days ago 118 posts - 171 votes Speaks: German*, English, Russian, Esperanto, Ukrainian, Mandarin, Cantonese, French Studies: Italian, Spanish, Korean, Portuguese, Bulgarian, Persian, Hungarian, Kazakh, Swahili, Vietnamese, Polish | Message 12 of 41 27 April 2009 at 9:04am | IP Logged | |||||
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Foreign films are dubbed into Sichuan! Surely not. I find that rather hard to believe. If it's true it's rather amazing. Does that mean that there is not local programming in Sichuan but they dub foreign films into Sichuan? Why not just dub foreign films into Mandarin and be done with it?
The most difficult thing about learning dialects is that even when you find books on the dialects... in Chinese... they're pretty useless because it's pretty hard to represent the sounds of the dialects in 汉字. Anyway, I'm just being a devil's advocate. I thought the only programming in 'dialect' was Cantonese - because of Hong Kong. And some songs etc. from Taiwan... maybe. I'd be happy to hear otherwise, but I know one sure way to make someone from China angry - tell them that Cantonese (or any other 'dialect' of Chinese probably) is not a dialect, but a language. They will go off their head. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| minus273 Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5556 days ago 288 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Ancient Greek, Tibetan | Message 13 of 41 27 April 2009 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
To add local flavour to it, which means that the translations are more often than not humourous and deliberately misleading.
Yeah. But the fact is insignificant. (Most nations-without-a-centralized-state have mutually unintelligible dialects, anyway. And for West Germanic, linguistic division and national division just don't coincide.) Edited by minus273 on 27 April 2009 at 3:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jimbo Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6085 days ago 469 posts - 642 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin, Korean, French Studies: Japanese, Latin | Message 15 of 41 05 May 2009 at 9:04am | IP Logged | |||||
How so? I would say the difficulties of learning the "dialects" include a lack of study materials and the fact that many of the big ones are more difficult than Mandarin. More tones, tone sandhi, a bewildering array of sub-dialects, etc. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| minus273 Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5556 days ago 288 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Ancient Greek, Tibetan | Message 16 of 41 06 May 2009 at 11:43am | IP Logged | |||||
Yeah, in Suzhou, word tone is irregular and should be memorized per word. Taiwanese is much easier. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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