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| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 4769 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish | Message 9 of 17 2016 22 February at 3:30am | IP Logged | ||
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Ooh yeah, that is interesting. I confess, years ago, I watched a ton of Japanese TV for quite a while. I thought, well, I have relatives that speak Japanese, I'm half-Japanese myself, maybe I can just pick this up, but no, no, I didn't get fluent, and I did go crazy and actually did get committed and drugged up for 72 hours, and blew a job I really wanted, it was not good. I think it was just that I didn't have enough context, and my brain just confabulated meaning from nothing. It was a pretty strange experience.
These days, I just plot along. Too busy with work to do stuff like this these days. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| catullus_roar Quadrilingual Octoglot Groupie Australia Joined 3212 days ago 89 posts - 184 votes Speaks: Malay, Hokkien*, English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese*, French, German, Spanish Studies: Italian, Latin, Armenian, Afrikaans, Russian | Message 10 of 17 2016 22 February at 12:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Asian here.
The biggest obstacle for anglophones is not vocabulary or grammar, but pronunciation. It is far rarer to find an American who can master the tones of Chinese (Daniel on CCTV is one such outlier) than to find one who has mastered the grammar and vocabulary. Some Westerners can write better Chinese than we can, but once they begin to speak, their foreign-ness becomes evident. Japanese is less tonal and easier to pronounce, but Korean is also a tonal language - its double vowels seem to rely on pitch for differentiation. This should not discourage you from pursuing Asian languages to the highest possible level; perhaps you should simply devote double the amount of expected time to pronunciation, and keep in mind that you may never attain native pronunciation. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 4603 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 11 of 17 2016 23 February at 11:00pm | IP Logged | ||
He went into culture shock. And it sounds like he did not attempt to buffer that by having L1 friends while in Japan. Culture shock can happen whether you know the language or not. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| andee Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5721 days ago 681 posts - 724 votes 3 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Korean, French | Message 12 of 17 2017 14 January at 2:38am | IP Logged | ||
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I can only speak of Korean. But yes, near native
command is possible. There are quite a few people who have regular TV slots which a great command of the language. Many of whom have learnt within a few years. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Rhian Moderator France Joined 5141 days ago 264 posts - 286 votes Speaks: English* Personal Language Map | Message 13 of 17 2017 14 January at 9:28am | IP Logged | ||
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A reminder that people have moved to
www.forum.language-learners.org You'll need to create a new account as HTLAL logins won't work there. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Wentworth Newbie Thailand Joined 3187 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Studies: Thai | Message 14 of 17 2017 14 January at 1:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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My apologies, Rhian. I've recently returned to this site after quite some time and I think
I've missed something. When you mention that people have moved; does this mean that this site has been superseded? Many thanks 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Rhian Moderator France Joined 5141 days ago 264 posts - 286 votes Speaks: English* Personal Language Map | Message 15 of 17 2017 14 January at 10:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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No, not suspended. It's just not really used. This
might explain better http://how-to-learn-any- language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40787&PN=1 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Wentworth Newbie Thailand Joined 3187 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Studies: Thai | Message 16 of 17 2017 15 January at 1:14am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks Rhian, I've read the posts in the link and I'll go over and register for the alternate
site :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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