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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4974 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 129 of 204 04 February 2014 at 9:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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This article might be useful for intermediate students (or for anyone, just throw it at
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| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5673 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 130 of 204 05 February 2014 at 1:28am | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks for the article. I don't know that there was anything really groundbreaking, but it's interesting reading in Portuguese. I really like the conjugated infinitives (and how it helps avoid the subjunctive where Spanish would use it).
A propòsit, sabem què farem com a repte (castellà: reto) aquest mes? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5070 days ago 2237 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 131 of 204 06 February 2014 at 1:44am | IP Logged | |||||
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¡Hola, buenas a todos! On another thread today, When to take a break, I was reminded of my post on the The multi-track approach.
Daegga talked about adding fun into the routine. Today, I happened to hear a Juan Luís Guerra song Ojalá que lleuva café on the radio and I was reminded that I had seen a lesson about this song that I shared with a friend who was learning Spanish some time ago. The song is a "merengue" from the Dominican Republic and steeped in Caribbean Spanish. There's a lot going on in this song- there's a good example of the subjunctive mood and some vocabulary you won't see in your textbooks but may hear and wonder about. The first verse: Ojalá que llueva café en el campo- the subjunctive always follows "ojalá" and there's the "que" marker meaning "llover" and "caer" must be conjugated in the subjunctive. "Ojalá" (from the Arabic "inshallah"- God grant) expresses a fervent desire. This requires use of the subjunctive for the verbs that follow in Spanish. que caiga un aguacero de yuca y té del cielo una jarina de queso blanco y al sur una montaña de berro y miel oh, oh, oh-oh-oh, ojalá que llueva café There are hyperlinks to some of the words you may not know with explanations in English. This is what I'm talking about when I suggest working with native materials. It may be a while before you get to the subjunctive in your course but through this song you will see its use and that's enough for now. Later, when you get to that section of your course dealing with the subjunctive and its use, a light bulb may light up over your head. Not only that but it's a really cool (chévere) song to sing along with and learn. Full lesson of Ojalá que llueva café with translation and exercises 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4098 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 132 of 204 06 February 2014 at 2:36am | IP Logged | |||||
The infinitivo pessoal is actually quite similar to the conjuntivo do futuro, or futuro de subjuntivo in Spanish. I think that the nly difference is that the infinitivo pessoal does not change in the stem for irregulars like the conjuntivo do futuro. This is probably unfamiliar for Hispanophones, since the futuro de subjuntivo is not used so often in Spanish. i.e. fazer: infinitivo pessoal: fazer fazeres fazer fazermos fazerdes fazerem conjuntivo do futuro: fizer fizeres fizer fizermos fizerdes fizerem Of course, the subjuntivo de futuro in Spanish for hacer: hiciere hicieres hiciere hiciéremos hiciéreis hicieren which resembles the conjuntivo do futuro in Portuguese, due to the stem-changing pretérito indefinido third person plural form fizeram, viz. Spanish hicieron. Edited by 1e4e6 on 06 February 2014 at 3:00am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5034 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 133 of 204 06 February 2014 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
That bit is redundant. If you start a sentence with "ojalá", you don't need to put "que" after it -- doing so there doesn't hurt, but sounds a bit odd -- so I guess it helps with metrics or something. OTOH if you drop "Ojalá" and start a sentence with "que" + subjunctive, etc., that makes it into a shorthand referring to a previous exchange between both parties -- but of course it wouldn't make much sense to start a text like that. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5034 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 134 of 204 06 February 2014 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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TerryW just bumped the thread Spanish: Complete Sherlock Holmes online. Might be of some use.
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| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 5869 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 135 of 204 06 February 2014 at 10:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
It's the same on this side of the border: oxalá chova, oxalá venha, oxalá aconteça... On a curious note, a lot of people say things like "Oxalá! Deus te ouça!". Way to reinforce things! On an even more curious note, people tend to say things like "Até amanhã, se Deus quiser!" or "Vou lá na sexta, se Deus quiser!". How Arabic is that? This is completely idiomatic and usually has no religious meaning. A friend of mine is a confess atheist (curious expression) and says "ai meu Deus!" quite often. If I'm around, she always has to say "I know! Don't start!". 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5070 days ago 2237 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 136 of 204 06 February 2014 at 11:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
On this side of the Atlantic I hear "Ojalá que" all the time. Juan Luís Guerra is Dominicano and a native Spanish-speaker. A google search for "ojalá que" returns 28 million hits. Check out the thread on word reference "ojalá/ojalá que
As always, I defer to native speakers in this regard. I almost never respond to grammar questions or comments in my second languages. I see and hear "Ojalá" without "que" all the time as well. We are so lucky to have native-speaker input here. Edited by iguanamon on 06 February 2014 at 11:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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