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| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4156 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes  Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 185 of 252 12 February 2014 at 3:53pm | IP Logged |
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Muito obrigado :) Brazil and Portugal are so supportive :)
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| MithradatesG Newbie United States Joined 4073 days ago 30 posts - 36 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, French, Armenian, Turkish, Italian | Message 186 of 252 17 February 2014 at 12:48am | IP Logged |
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In answer to your question from awhile ago:
I do recommend the 1990s TY Turkish. However, keep in mind that my immediate goal is to be conversational in Turkish and, for the time being, I have little desire to read Turkish beyond signs and headlines. The 1990s TY Turkish includes short dialogues and vocabulary that I think are more useful for learning conversational Turkish than the 1980s version. However, I recently added the 1980s TY Turkish to my mix of materials, because I wanted more explicit discussion of grammar. Hope your studies are going well! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4156 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 187 of 252 18 February 2014 at 8:36am | IP Logged |
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Thanks Mithradates!
My goal is different in Turkish, but you are right about the conversational usefulness of 1990s TY. . Edited by renaissancemedi on 18 February 2014 at 8:37am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4156 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 188 of 252 28 February 2014 at 8:54am | IP Logged |
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There isn't much of an update, because I've been out of town and away from my language materials (not to mention my routine). I managed to translate a russian song, and that made me painfully aware of just how much russian grammar I don't know yet.
I am leaving again today for a few days, but delays are not the problem. I just keep thinking that maybe I should just do the sensible thing and learn one language. Now that it's still early in the year. If I knew what's good for me I'd be studying German, set a goal for three or four months and see what happens. And deal with nothing else. On the other hand I feel sad walking away now from what I've started, mainly turkish that I like a lot. The more I think of it, the more I lean towards the sensible option. When this log started I had this plan: to study well one language for the entire year, and complete MT or pimsleur for a couple more (no intense study there). I should have stayed with my original thought, but it's never too late. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| fireballtrouble Triglot Senior Member Turkey Joined 4322 days ago 129 posts - 203 votes Speaks: Turkish*, French, English Studies: German | Message 189 of 252 01 March 2014 at 10:25am | IP Logged |
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Without knowing how old you are and what you do as studies/occupation, it's not quite
easy to comment on the choice between the mind and soul, especially if the matter is the languages. I have a similar story with yours. I forced myself to initiate German, considering the fact that it "can be" useful for a doctor in future. I do not "love" this language, I couldn't ever. I began to study it just like a subject we take in university, read - pronounce - study, go to next lesson. But I realized how slow my progress is. When I reached 50-60th lesson of Assimil German, I thought German isn't ugly at all, I was getting used to the language. Now that I finished 100th lesson of Assimil. I have a good base in this language. But I have difficulties in retaining words. Because it's my mind who want to keep them, not my will. But did something change? Yes, today even it's not a "love", I can say that I "like" German. Last year I studied Assimil Russian, which is also a 100-lesson set, but my progress was different compared to German. I was really interested in this language and was able to absorb 2-3 lessons a day without any difficulties. I completed the course just in a mouth and I retain 90% of the words still today. Is Russian a "sensible" choice for a Turkish medical student ? NO. Am I able to enjoy russian music now? Is my Russian at a level that I can go further at any time ? YES. Go for German if you really believe it's a sensible language. It's a European language, reaching B1+ level won't take much time with a real immersion for a language freak. After B1, you may begin to think that you enjoy German and go further without any pressure, if you think that you don't really like German, you'll already be at a level where you can go quickly to advanced level if you find a job opportunity. By the way, Turkish, French and Russian will be winking at you, you don't have to ignore them, do you? :)) Edited by fireballtrouble on 01 March 2014 at 10:28am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5630 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 190 of 252 01 March 2014 at 1:02pm | IP Logged |
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At the moment I am focusing on Mandarin because I am going to China in Summer. This is obviously a
huge incentive and I'm not missing my other languages too much (except for Russian and Greek) and am looking forward to making some serious progress in the next few months. But otherwise I decided long ago that the important thing is to enjoy my language learning and not worry too much about making slow progress. So unless you have a particular reason to focus on German like for your job, I would say carry on with your Turkish. You will probably enjoy doing the German more if you don't feel obligated to do it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4156 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 191 of 252 03 March 2014 at 6:11pm | IP Logged |
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Fireball and Stelingo, thanks for sharing your stories with me. I decided that this is the moment to show character and complete my plan without change. I expect more days like that, but I will fight the temptation. This is exactly how I lost my way last year, and I will not repeat the mistake! Thanks for being there :)
Last year I wanted to learn German for practical reasons only. I ended up not learning it, but really liking it anyway. It's not as if I need it right now, though. It would be good to have it under my belt, but it would not suddenly improve my professional life. Besides, who can really tell what will be useful in this crazy world anyway? There is a kind of freedom that comes with all the uncertainty of these days. It goes like this: I have a ton of "useful" studies but things are bad anyway. I might as well continue with things I really enjoy. Anyway, I'm back home after a loooong absence and studying will be back to normal. I hope. Edited by renaissancemedi on 03 March 2014 at 6:37pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 5859 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 192 of 252 03 March 2014 at 9:56pm | IP Logged |
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There are moments when I think that taking all my languages to a good level is an impossible task. At those moments, it probably is. Whether because I overslept one day, I'm feeling a bit down in another, etc.
Sometimes, I feel my German slipping away. Other days, it seems that I know nothing of Arabic. Most of the time, I'm sure that I'll never be able to reach an acceptable level in Sanskrit, let alone master the language. I get good notes in Italian, but I forget half the grammar between exams. If you are like me, you'll tend to stress over achieving your goals, whether they're necessary or not. It should be very different learning something because you need it and learning another one you enjoy. Don't stress over Hebrew, Russian or whatever. You'll learn them over time, I'm sure. One technique I've always used is to insist on what's paying up. If this month it's Turkish, go for it. Maybe next month you'll feel like giving another one a push. If you are like me (again), you'll be more productive when spring comes. I suggest you reassess your priorities then. Edited by Luso on 03 March 2014 at 9:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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