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| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4655 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 9 of 20 02 November 2012 at 11:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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No, I'm learning on my own with textbooks - like most of the people here.
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| Bbcatcher 08 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4229 days ago 130 posts - 154 votes Speaks: English*, Latin Studies: Russian, Mandarin, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Hungarian | Message 10 of 20 02 November 2012 at 11:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Oh ok. Luckily, I can practice with a native speaker, so hopefully that will expedite
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| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5084 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 11 of 20 03 November 2012 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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The problem is your questions are ill defined. The best way to address grammar is using an Assimil system and
native speakers. Read lots of sentences, observe the patterns of conjugation, declension, and syntax, learning vocabulary as you go. I would not just pick up a grammar book and start memorizing case endings. And by the way, there are 7 noun cases. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4655 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 12 of 20 03 November 2012 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | ||
Sorry, I forgot about the vocative. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4867 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 13 of 20 03 November 2012 at 4:43pm | IP Logged | ||
It depends on the languages you already know. For me it doesn't seem to be very difficult, for example, but it will be different for you. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4479 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 14 of 20 03 November 2012 at 7:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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There are 5 cases, effectively, since two are the same, and vocative is not used...
so NOMINATIVE+4 other forms... As for tenses, many tenses are not used at all, for example AORIST and IMPERFEKT are never used, not even in newsapapers (unlike Spanish, French, Italian, German). We use PERFEKT exclusively. All tenses you need: PREZENT, PERFEKT, FUTUR 1, FUTUR2, KONDICIONAL Much less than Spanish or Portuguese. I don't even know how to construct other tenses (which appear only in old literature). We learned it in 6th grade, but it was long ago ;) For example, if you stop people on the street and ask them: What is the IMPERFECT of the verb ići (to go)...less than 1% of population will know it, it is iđah (iba in Spanish, ia in Portuguese) and it sounds 17th century language. Unlike French, Spanish, Italian (and even German) there has never been obligatory usage of literal tenses in writing, narration. It would be really strange to see AORIST or IMPERFEKT in newspapers or modern literature (on the other hand, Prataeritum is a must in German writing, and so is Passato Remoto in Italian). We have virtually buried all those obsolete tenses.. We learn them in the 6th grade, and we forget them in the 7th grade. Edited by Medulin on 03 November 2012 at 7:06pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5084 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 15 of 20 03 November 2012 at 8:02pm | IP Logged | ||
Well, it's not true that the vocative is not used. You might see it extensively in poetry and legend for any range of nouns, and certainly there are proper names that involve the use of the vocative. hej, bubreže: hey, kidney hej, zvezdo: hey, star hej, panju: hey, stump hej, meseče: hey, moon Ko ste, viteže?: Who are you, knight? O Bože: Oh God O Sine (Božiji): Oh Son (of God) Kako si, Anice?: How are you, Anica? Gde si, Milane?: Where are you, Milan? The nominatives for the above are bubreg, zvezda, panj, mesec, vitez, Bog, Sin, Anica, and Milan. You would be wrong to use them in place of the vocative. It is also not true that the aorist and imperfect are never used. They are used by highly educated people, and also extensively used in Bosnia-Herzegovina and parts of Montenegro and Serbia. They may not be used in Croatia, but as the OP is interested in learning the Bosnian variant (certainly the most archaic and complex), he should be aware that old tenses are still in use, that the 4 pitch accents are emphasized, and that the post-accentual vowel lengthening is also a consideration. I can't tell you how many times I've seen Bosnians (Serbs, Croats, and Muslims) writing things on the internet like "Ja mišljah da je on...." instead of "ja sam mislila da je on..." And of course, the first is imperfect and quite correct and the second is perfect and also OK. Edited by Merv on 03 November 2012 at 8:13pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Bbcatcher 08 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4229 days ago 130 posts - 154 votes Speaks: English*, Latin Studies: Russian, Mandarin, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Hungarian | Message 16 of 20 05 November 2012 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you all for the explanations. I got through the first dialogue in the book I have.
The words seem to not stick as well as the Dutch and the Esperanto. But maybe this is because it was 100% new, with no background in the language. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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