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Марк
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 Message 9 of 16
29 September 2012 at 10:58am | IP Logged 
The hard sign is always disjunctive as well as the soft sign before a vowel. съесть
sjesʲtʲ, сесть - sʲesʲtʲ, объяснить - ɐbji'sʲnʲitʲ.
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 Message 10 of 16
22 October 2012 at 2:10am | IP Logged 
jeff_lindqvist wrote:

According to IPA (if that matters), the [ʂ] and [ɕ] match Mandarin pinyin sh and x, and that's strikingly similar to what I've perceived - and for me, that's about the best explanation so far.


So which is ш and which is щ
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 Message 11 of 16
22 October 2012 at 5:57pm | IP Logged 
ш - [ʂ], щ - [ɕ]
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 Message 12 of 16
22 October 2012 at 6:51pm | IP Logged 
That explains a whole lot, Mark, hahaha...I saw that difference today in my Swedish
lesson when I was pronouncing "känns" with a ch instead of a sh. My teacher is Russian so
she told me to use that latter Swedish letter :)

Edited by tarvos on 22 October 2012 at 6:52pm

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 Message 13 of 16
23 October 2012 at 12:37am | IP Logged 
I think variants of Norwegian have those two sounds. The not-platalized version written rs, and the palatalized one as sj/sk/skj.

The rs belongs to the retroflex series of consonants, where you also find rn, rl, rt and rd.

For example in my own speach there is a definite difference between the rs in arsen (the name of an elment) and the sj in sjel (soul).

But it is difficult to find minimal pairs.



Edited by Aquila123 on 23 October 2012 at 6:07pm

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 Message 14 of 16
23 October 2012 at 12:49am | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:
ш - [ʂ], щ - [ɕ]


So щ is the equivalent of English sh? That is a relevation.
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 Message 15 of 16
23 October 2012 at 1:49am | IP Logged 
Not really, but "close enough":
English sh - [ʃ]
Mandarin x/Russian щ - [ɕ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_alveolo-palatal_frica tive
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