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vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4687 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German
| Message 177 of 1317 10 July 2012 at 5:50pm | IP Logged |
emk wrote:
J'ai un tas de outils comme ce script, parce que je suis développeur. |
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Est-ce que tu as une liste de ces scripts? Je suis sûr qu'il y aurait des gens intéressés! (dont moi)
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emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5541 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map
| Message 178 of 1317 10 July 2012 at 6:40pm | IP Logged |
vermillon wrote:
emk wrote:
J'ai un tas de outils comme ce script, parce que je suis
développeur. |
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Est-ce que tu as une liste de ces scripts? Je suis sûr qu'il y aurait des gens
intéressés! (dont moi) |
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Un échantillon :
- Des extensions pour Anki, y compris une
qui retrouve des définitions en français du dictionnaire « Larousse ».
- Un script pour extraire les mots de « A
Frequency Dictionary of French ».
- Le script au-dessus pour créer des cartes en Anki.
J'ai des autres scripts, mais ils sont moins utiles.
Je pense que microsnout a aussi des outils utiles. Et n'oublie pas LingQ, LWT, lang-8
et LyricsTraining. Tous ces sites sont des scripts qui ont grandi et devenu des
produits. :-)
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| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4687 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German
| Message 179 of 1317 10 July 2012 at 8:16pm | IP Logged |
Mince, j'ai toujours trouvé le Ruby difficile (et moche) à lire. Je vais quand même essayer de lire ça dès que j'aurai un peu plus de temps. J'adore le "meurs()" tiens!
emk wrote:
Et n'oublie pas LingQ, LWT, lang-8 et LyricsTraining. Tous ces sites sont des scripts qui ont grandi et devenu des produits. :-) |
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Oui, et je pense qu'il y a de la place pour bien plus d'automatismes dans notre apprentissage quotidien! J'ai quelques projets que j'espère pouvoir présenter avant la fin de l'année. La révolution approche!
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emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5541 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map
| Message 180 of 1317 11 July 2012 at 6:01pm | IP Logged |
Des nouvelles cartes marchent ! Ce n'est pas vraiment une surprise, mais je suis
néanmoins heureux.
Il y a quelques jours, la plupart de ce dialogue était très difficile. Mais maintenant,
je comprends la plupart du dialogue sur mes cartes sans effort.
J'ai donc un plan :
- Beaucoup de Buffy, de musique et d'autres choses intéressantes.
- Quinze nouvelles cartes (avec du son) par jour sur Anki.
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emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5541 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map
| Message 181 of 1317 12 July 2012 at 5:33pm | IP Logged |
Le texte ci-dessous était inscrit sur une coupe magnifique en albâtre dans le tombeau
de Toutânkhamon.
Quote:
La coupe en albâtre de Toutankhamon
"Puisse ton ka vivre éternellement, puisses-tu, toi qui aimes Thèbes, vivre des
millions d'années le visage tourné vers le vent du nord, et puissent tes yeux
contempler le bonheur" |
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Et une meilleure page en anglais, avec des images claires des hiéroglyphes:
Quote:
EN: Tutankhamun's Alabaster Chalice
"May your ka live, and may you achieve millions of years, you who love Thebes, sitting
with your face to the north wind, and your eyes seeing happiness." |
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C'est vraiment un cadeau digne d'un roi.
J'ai créé les hiéroglyphes ci-dessus avec JSesh. Je pouvais saisir la plupart sans
problème, grâce à mes efforts avec Anki. Et je peux déjà voir quelques mots assez bien
pour les chercher dans un dictionnaire. Par exemple:
𓂓𓏤𓎡 : ka
𓋆𓏏𓊖 : Thèbes
𓈞𓊃𓀀 : s'asseoir
𓁷𓏤 : visage
𓎔𓎛𓇋𓇋𓏏𓊡 : vent du nord
(Si tu veux une police hiéroglyphique, vous pouvez en trouvez une
ici. Vous voulez télécharger « Aegyptus » et
utiliser « Gardiner.ttf ».)
Je trouve l'orthographe égyptienne presque raisonnable. Du moins c'est plus facile que
le kanji — il n'y a que quelques centaines des signes de base.
Edited by emk on 12 July 2012 at 5:58pm
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emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5541 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map
| Message 182 of 1317 20 July 2012 at 5:21am | IP Logged |
Je suis fatigué ce soir, et j'ai du mal à communiquer en français. Malheureusement,
ça m'arrive encore parfois, malgré tous mes efforts. De toute façon, ce n'est pas
trop sérieux. Je pourrai parler demain, ou après-demain.
Alors qu'est-ce qui se passe ?
- Assimil : L'Égyptien hiéroglyphique est maintenant 17 jours en retard.
- J'ai appris la moitié de mes 204 hiéroglyphes de base, y compris tous les
unilitères et bilitères ! Maintenant, il me reste d'apprendre une vingtaine de
trilitères, et après ça, les déterminatifs. Je pense que les déterminatifs seront
beaucoup plus faciles, car il n'y aura pas besoin d'apprendre six translittérations
sans voyelles ni sens par jour.
- J'ai créé un greffon pour Anki 2.0 beta qui me permet d'utiliser HiéroTeX pour écrire
les hiéroglyphes. Les images créées par HiéroTeX sont un peu moches, mais elles
suffisent. Et si l'on connait le MdC, il est presque rapide de saisir une phrase courte
un hiéroglyphes.
- Je viens d'utiliser de plus en plus des mnémoniques pour l'égyptien. Je ne les ai pas
utilisé pour apprendre le français, mais elles m'aident beaucoup avec tous les signes
et les translittérations difficiles. Grace à l'égyptien, je pense que je vais apprendre
le français plus efficacement à l'avenir.
- Anki 2.0 beta est cool, malgré la nécessité de prendre de nouvelles habitudes.
Edited by emk on 20 July 2012 at 5:22am
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emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5541 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map
| Message 183 of 1317 22 July 2012 at 4:33pm | IP Logged |
EN: It's time for a periodic update in English. This includes a status report
and a lot of details about my current study strategies.
1. Anki 2
I've upgraded to Anki 2 (beta). It took me a week to adjust, but I'm really
liking the new version. Anki 2 has been heavily rewritten, and it feels much more
mature and better designed. Major highlights:
- Somebody put a huge amount of engineering into making Anki 1 -> Anki 2 upgrades as
smooth as possible. Your decks will get heavily rebuilt under the hood, but I haven't
noticed a single problem.
- Synchronization is now vastly better. Nearly all common operations can be
merged seamlessly between the desktop and mobile clients.
- Media is fully integrated. No need for Dropbox!
- The new multiple-cloze support is completely changing the way I make sentence cards.
To steal a line from khatzumoto, the MCD revolution continues!
Anki is finally ready for prime time. With a few modest tweaks here and there, Anki 2
has a good chance of reaching a mass audience.
Note that you will probably need a week or two to adjust to the new Anki. Some of the
features I used are gone, and others have changed. But after a week of adjustment
pains, there's no way I'd ever willingly go back.
2. French
After the DELF B2, my goal for French was to stabilize and keep my progress, and give
it time to root in. I was willing to accept a small amount of backsliding on things
like debating politics, which I was practicing 3 times a week in the run-up to the
DELF.
So far, my French is holding up. I've lost a little in some areas, and made progress in
others. But as time passes, I can feel French taking root in my brain. And this
weekend, I'm using French heavily and successfully.
Current projects include:
- 10 listening comprehension cards per day. I've been tuning mkcards and doing
more MC Solaar songs. I'm not sure that I'm working intensively enough to make global
gains, but on the other hand, I can understand 95+% of
Lève-toi et rap, which is no small feat. What I
really need to do, though, is feed Amélie through subs2srs with
both French and English subs, because that's the only way I can get enough listening
comprehension cards. But that will have to wait.
- Getting really solid on à + infinitif and de + infinitif. I've
internalized a dozen rules already, but there's always another—prèt à, for
example. For this, I'm using Anki 2's new support for multiple cloze deletions, and
making lots of cards from the VDM archives.
- Fully activating my futur antérieur and the various dont, duquel
and auquel forms in speech. Again, my major tool here is multiple cloze
deletions.
The various cloze-deletion cards add up to another 10 cards/day. I want to talk more
about cloze cards later—I've always found them amazingly effective for fiddly little
points of grammar and for learning connectors, but it's never been so easy to create
them.
What I really need to do is spend more time on my Super Challenge reading. That has a
huge positive effect, and I really need it right now. But between my business and my
other French projects, I'm running low on high-intensity study time.
3. Egyptian
I've finally learned 100+ common phonetic characters. These were slightly annoying,
because most of them represent 2 or 3 letters, and it's hard to keep straight ꜣ/ꜥ and h/
ḥ/ḫ/ẖ. So I've gotten much better at mnemonics. Fortunately, ḥ/ḫ/ẖ correspond to 𓎛 (a
wick), 𓐍 (a placenta) and 𓄡 (a cow stomach), which makes for weird but memorable
mnemonic stories.
But now I've finally started learning the common determinitives, which is easy. For
example, 𓀀 = man, person, and 𓁐 = woman. The determinitives are purely semantic, and
they don't necessarily require a lot of imagination.
I learned 3 phonetic signs per day, and bumped that up to 6 towards the end. I'm now
learning 10 determinitives per day.
I've also entered the first 12 Assimil lessons into Anki. Thanks to my knowledge of the
basic signs (and a custom Anki plugin—yay programmer skills!), this is actually pretty
tolerable. And this close-up inspection of the Assimil course has given me a much
better understanding of why Assimil works so well. It turns out that Assimil is
basically a scrupulously-graded L/R exercise with built-in SRS-style reinforcement.
There's certainly more to some Assimil courses than meets the eye.
I'm waiting for my own copy of the book and CDs to arrive before actually starting the
course.
Egyptian has chewed into some of my French study time, particularly the "setup" costs
of creating Anki decks and the tools needed to work efficiently. But it's also
improving my study skills and allowing me to try out all sorts of new ideas, so I think
it will really help my French in the long run.
So overall, I'm doing 10+10+10 new Anki cards per day, with certain categories
frequently running empty. Aside from the phonetic Egyptian signs, most of these cards
are easy (and useful), so reviews are ~30 minutes a day, and generally fun.
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| Bjorn Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 4877 days ago 244 posts - 286 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: German, French
| Message 184 of 1317 22 July 2012 at 5:58pm | IP Logged |
Thanks for the useful info.
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