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Вопрос из английской грамматики

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Dionigi89
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 Message 1 of 8
20 November 2011 at 6:16am | IP Logged 
Здравствуйте ребята.
Я тут хочу выяснить значение одной грамматической конструкции со словом that.
К примеру, переведите мне эти предложения:
I am very good that I am.
I think I finally found a way to avoid the problems that I did.
I don't waste my free time that I don't.
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Mrs. Dalloway
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 Message 2 of 8
24 November 2011 at 12:38pm | IP Logged 
Первое и последное предложении не умеют никакое значение в английском языке!
А второе можно переводить так: я думаю, что я на конец-то нашёл способ избежать проблем, которые я сделал.
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TixhiiDon
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 Message 3 of 8
24 November 2011 at 2:08pm | IP Logged 
Apologies for replying in English, but your sentences are, as far as I can tell, examples
of West Country (Devon, Cornwall) English. They would be clearer with a comma, i.e. "I
am very good, that I am." and "I don't waste my free time, that I don't".

The "...that I..." part doesn't have any particular meaning. It gives the sentences a
slight emphasis, but not greatly so, and it is pronounced with a falling tone. The
closest equivalent I can think of in any of the languages I know is よ in Japanese.
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Dionigi89
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 Message 4 of 8
25 November 2011 at 2:55pm | IP Logged 
TixhiiDon and Mrs.Dalloway, thank you for helping me!
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 Message 5 of 8
09 December 2011 at 10:59pm | IP Logged 
- I don't waste my free time, that I don't.
=
- Я не утрачиваю свободного времени, этого я не делаю.

- I don't waste my free time.
- That you don't.
=
- Я не утрачиваю свободного времени.
- Согласен.


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 Message 6 of 8
13 December 2011 at 1:40am | IP Logged 
Лучше звучит "не трачу свободное время зря".
Огромное спасибо, очень интересно. Уже отвыкла узнавать что-то новое в английском:)
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s0fist
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 Message 7 of 8
17 December 2011 at 1:08pm | IP Logged 
I thought I'd mention a Russian "equivalent" to those constructions. OK, they're not
really equivalent, in a sense of grammatical constructions, but rather equivalent in a
sense of colloquial usage of the Russian language. I'll leave it to someone more versed
in the formal classifications to boldly tell under which category this would fall.
However, as examples of usage and of accurate (in spirit) translation, I hope some
students of Russian find these examples useful.

I am very good, that I am.
Я крут -- то да!

I think I finally found a way to avoid the problems that I did.
Я кажется нашел решение проблемы, та да.

I don't waste my free time that I don't.
Я зря время не трачу, то не.

As in English, these, shall I call them utterances, can be used by both the speaker
himself in a self-referential manner, as well as by a second speaker confirming/denying
the first speaker's perspective.

Note, I'm not misspelling, there are several distinct forms you can use: то не, то да,
та да, та не, да да, да не. Don't quote me on this, but the "та да" and "та не", are
possibly more Ukranian-centric variants, or possibly a natural aversion of native
speakers to saying "да да", or both. Also, the variant of "да да, да не" is possibly of
a different category, from a linguistic point of view, insomuch as it's not(?) using
"то/та" corresponding to "that"; but rest assured it's no less popular for the
potential grammatical distinction and still carries pretty much the same meaning.

Finally, a point to the learners, in speaking there's a difference in stress, the first
particle would be unstressed and will frequently be elided to т'да and the second word
да/не (yeh/nah) would be stressed, otherwise you risk appearing to say "yes,yes"
instead of "that I am". Same in English, one would have to use different intonation if
one were speaking Cornwallish "I'm an idiot, that I am" as opposed to the usual usage
"I wanted to say that I am an idiot."
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 Message 8 of 8
04 July 2012 at 12:29am | IP Logged 
На португальский языке есть слово сходное с тем: "isso" которое хочет сказать "это"
нап. "Eu não perco meu tempo [com coisas inúteis]. Isso não."
    "Я зря время не трачу (бесполезными вещами), то не."
(написан со словарем)


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