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How easy is Esperanto really? | ||
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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6220 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes  Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 17 of 40 22 October 2011 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Ignore him. He's claiming an eye-doctor who spoke a few languages was unduly influenced by a theory published 30 years after Esperanto, and that this 'influence' poses a danger to anyone who actually knows anything about Esperanto, rather than making up things about it out of thin air. Edited by Volte on 22 October 2011 at 7:30pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| fiziwig Senior Member United States Joined 4646 days ago 297 posts - 618 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 18 of 40 23 October 2011 at 5:00am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I tried learning Esperanto many decades ago, but I found it frustrating. As an engineer I kept finding all kinds of things that were "wrong" with it, and I couldn't resist the urge to "fix" it, and correct all those things that made it too difficult, and in some cases, just plain "goofy".
What this world really needs (besides a good five-cent cigar) is for some engineers and mathematicians (leave the linguists out of it) to do an in depth study of what language learners find difficult in each language, and work out a systematic way to remove all the hard stuff and create a language that truly is easy for everyone to learn no matter what their first language. Then, instead of trying to get everyone to use it, just make it the official international language of online video games and let the geeks and gamers lead the way. After all, a lot of them got excited about learning Klingon. Surely they could get excited about learning a super-easy language only used in the virtual worlds of online video games. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4837 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 19 of 40 23 October 2011 at 9:08am | IP Logged | ||||||||
What were those drawbacks of Esperanto? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| jean-luc Senior Member France Joined 4741 days ago 100 posts - 150 votes Speaks: French* Studies: German | Message 20 of 40 23 October 2011 at 10:16am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I seriously doubt that engineers and mathematicians are better placed than anyone to define a languages... And it's as doubtful to be able to create a language which would please to everybody.
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| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5450 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 21 of 40 23 October 2011 at 10:18am | IP Logged | ||||||||
This is a pretty good summary. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| jean-luc Senior Member France Joined 4741 days ago 100 posts - 150 votes Speaks: French* Studies: German | Message 22 of 40 23 October 2011 at 11:25am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I just had a look to your link. For what I have seen, it's mainly dishonest comments from someone who dislike esperanto.
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| jean-luc Senior Member France Joined 4741 days ago 100 posts - 150 votes Speaks: French* Studies: German | Message 23 of 40 23 October 2011 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
- People may laugh at you - You cannot use it for strengthening your curriculum vitae - Some proponents are somewhat embarrassing - It's not as easy to find books and music as for English or majors languages - There is no movie industry - Not so easy to find people for speaking For a pure linguistic point of view, it's more a question of personal taste than real and objectives drawbacks. Some people seems traumatized by the difference between the male and female genders, I really don't care. I'm more concerned by the accusative, and while I understand why it exists and accept it, some peoples hate it and some like it... Some people find the vocabulary not international enough. It's a point which could be discussed but I'm not sure it could have been much better. For me, the root of the language seems to be its regularity and simplicity (ensuring its easiness) and its combinatory system of roots (which give him its richness as a full language). On both point Esperanto seems mainly self-coherent. The only real drawback I see is, in absence of a bulk of native speaker, the fact there is no definitive reference for the vocabulary. I know it exist the PIV dictionary but I've read several critics saying there is too many Gallicisms. This is illustrated with the opposition of the proponents of the "bona lingvo" and the ones of the "mava lingvo". Edited by jean-luc on 23 October 2011 at 12:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4837 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 24 of 40 23 October 2011 at 1:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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"Esperantists never attempt to explain what cases or plurals are for. The former is
extremely tricky;" Why is it tricky? If the word order is free, how can one distinguish between a subject and an object? To add one more preposition? But it won't be better. Endings are not worse than prepositions or particles if they are regular. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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