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| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4498 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 33 of 36 15 September 2012 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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So you prioritize input. When you listen to Japanese, do they tell you which kanji they are speaking? You don't necessarily need to visualize the kanji as you listen, you know.
I started with wanting to understand anime. I wanted to increase my passive vocabulary and was afraid of kana/kanji. I was eventually forced to learn kana because there are no big dictionaries that use roomaji. That's unfair. I chose to put off kana/kanji for later, but other people prevented me from increasing my vocabulary by trying to get rid of roomaji. There are other people out there like me who just want to listen and maybe speak. Forcing those people to learn kana/kanji is not morally good. That's why I don't write in all kana. にょ=nyo. んよ=n'yo. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fiveonefive Diglot Groupie Japan Joined 5474 days ago 69 posts - 88 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Swedish | Message 34 of 36 18 September 2012 at 2:46pm | IP Logged | ||
Your language partner may not be consciously aware of it but there are rules which dictate how ワロタ話 and ～島 are read. The rules are called "rendaku" (連濁) in Japanese and all Japanese speakers know them deep down in their core being. Literally 99.9% of Japanese speakers will never make the mistakes you are mentioning while trying to guess changes from sa->za, ha->ba, shima->jima. They will come to you too in time as you continue speaking Japanese. A good overview of rendaku can be found here. http://www.tofugu.com/guides/rendaku-sequential-voicing/ 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4654 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish | Message 35 of 36 18 September 2012 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | ||
If they told me which kanji they used, I wouldn't have needed to practice listening, would I? I prefer to learn listening while listening and reading while reading because it is better than learning neither by reading romaji. jisho.org let you input words in romaji and even give romaji readings if you can't be bothered to learn kana. Until now, more than 95% of all the English input I've had have been reading. Unless I move to Japan, most of my contact with Japanese would be reading because I aim to do what I do in English, in Japanese, and if I read a lot on the internet in English, I want to be able to do the same in Japanese. Also, with methods such as Heisig's remembering the kanji, learning words with kanji is actually very easy, because I can always associate kanji of which I don't know any words with something, and that how our (at least my) memory work; by linking stuff together. Also, some kanji can replace even as much as 10-11 latin letters. An excample is 志. My reading speed in general is very poor because of my vision, thus this is just fantastic. But I can see your attitude; you are simply creating problems where there are none. And I have been learning Japanese rather quickly compared to other languages despite the "horrible" Japanese script. And I have always been taught to face my fears rather than run away from them. Edited by stifa on 18 September 2012 at 3:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4498 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 36 of 36 21 September 2012 at 3:17am | IP Logged | ||
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stifa-san, your goals are different from what mine were. It makes perfect sense for you to avoid roomaji so that your kana/kanji reading speed will increase. Avert your eyes: roomaji de no nihongo!
fiveonefive-san, gomen. boku, wasurete shimaimashita. kono sureddo wa "kanji ni hantai shite iru" to sakebu tokoro de wa arimasen. "kana ni hantai shite iru" to iu tokoro desu no de, -shima/-jima no mondai wa kankei arimasen. I'm supposed to be explaining why I dislike forcing beginners to learn kana... ワロタ話 wa warotahanashi desu. boku no kangaekata de wa, "warota" wa kansaiben no "warouta"(=waratta) na no de, meishi ga doushi no ato ni kureba rendaku ga okoranai kara, -hanashi wa -banashi ni narimasen. sono webupeiji wa omoshiroi desu yo. "futatsume no go ni dakuon ga areba, rendaku wa okoranai" to iu ruuru wa mae kara shitta kedo, "kanarazu rendaku shinai kotoba" nante hajimete shirimashita. sono risuto wo hayaku anki shinakya... Edited by Hiiro Yui on 21 September 2012 at 5:58am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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