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Sprachprofi
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 Message 9 of 16
23 November 2010 at 7:20pm | IP Logged 
Thank you, Gregor, I've added these to the top as Finnish is unrelated to Esperanto.

La finna venko!

Edited by Sprachprofi on 23 November 2010 at 7:20pm

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 Message 10 of 16
23 November 2010 at 10:26pm | IP Logged 
Sprachprofi wrote:
I also notice you haven't found European equivalents for -ema (爱) and -igi (-isha) yet; if there are, let me know.

My "Wir lernen Esperanto", written by Willhelm und Hans Wingen, 6th revised edition from 1960 teaches "laborema = arbeitsam" and "sparema = sparsam".
And for -igi it does even point to the fact that the Esperanto suffix is similar to and derived from a German one: Esperanto "pura -> purigi" vs. German "rein -> reinigen".

Let me emphasize one thing : Such a collection as yours in this thread is very interesting, instructive and useful, and I am actually sure that by learning Esperanto everybody can increase his linguistic awareness and abilities. The only thing I don't agree with is the label "Not Indo-European". The more I look at the examples the less it seems to fit. (Even the opposite would make a good and maybe even better statement: "Look how similar these languages, which are said to be so exotic and strange, are to the well known Indo-European ones." imho only, of course)
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GREGORG4000
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 Message 11 of 16
24 November 2010 at 2:18am | IP Logged 
More Finnish-Esperanto parallels that I'll look up examples for if you want:
-tar = -ino, -sto = -ejo, -lainen = -ano, epä- = mal-, -uus/-us = -eco.

It would be pretty easy to transfer large amounts of vocabulary between the languages using these suffix parallels, I think.
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alang
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 Message 12 of 16
18 March 2014 at 8:06pm | IP Logged 
alang wrote:
Do not forget Agglutination. This is one reason I wanted to eventually
learn Turkish and Uzbek after Esperanto.


I was pretty unaware how huge this was at the time, as I did not look up the different
languages. I am not able to edit that post, so I am following it up with this one.

It is not just selected languages on this list, but language families that have
Agglutination, so it does not seem so strange for that particular feature after
learning Esperanto.

Esperanto being an easier language to learn, it offers help in minor ways people might
not realize. Help no matter how small makes a difference in the long run.

Here
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 Message 13 of 16
18 March 2014 at 9:54pm | IP Logged 
Btw, if you want to edit an old post, hit the quote button and remove the "M=Q&" part of the link, it'll take you to the edit page.
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alang
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 Message 14 of 16
18 March 2014 at 11:54pm | IP Logged 

Thanks, but in this case it made me realize the thread bump allows others to read it.
If it was edited and the last post was made 2010, the inactivity does not make it likely
members would have seen the information.
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Crush
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 Message 15 of 16
19 March 2014 at 4:43am | IP Logged 
I agree that it's often better to add a new post that others will actually see than edit an old one that very few people will ever go back to re-read.

Do you think Esperanto will really give you that much of an advantage for agglutinative languages? In Basque, for example, i can't think of that many situations where Esperanto has helped me to understand the agglutinative aspect of it. Some things, like the -ari ending, match up with the -isto forms pretty well, but generally i've found Chinese and German surprisingly more helpful.

Do you have any personal experience with it? I'd be interested to hear more about it.
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alang
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 Message 16 of 16
23 March 2014 at 1:38am | IP Logged 

@Crush,

No personal experience with the agglutination yet with other languages, but looking
forward to it. The Austronesian languages have this feature, so I will learn
Indonesian, Tagalog and Cebuano first. It was my intent anyway, but did not know they
were agglutinating also. I do not believe Esperanto will give a big advantage in
learning agglutinating languages, but a minor one. It is probably getting used to the
idea.

I pm'd a member named Fasulye about it four years ago on this topic. She replied, in
her experience that Latin in school helped more with learning Turkish, than Esperanto.
If I like the logic with Esperanto, then I will like how logical Turkish is also.

I have actually even played with the word order of Esperanto, so I can get used to
other word orders from other languages. I normally use SVO, but I also use OSV for some
reason,when I first learned it. Tagalog and Cebuano are VOS, so I will play around with
that before I learn them.

Just one small aspect helped you with Basque, add it with the other languages, it will
be that much more effective.


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