tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4655 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 9 of 15 18 June 2015 at 2:53pm | IP Logged |
don't make your vocal cords vibrate (act as if you're going to blow out air before the r)
Edited by tarvos on 18 June 2015 at 2:53pm
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Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4792 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian
| Message 10 of 15 18 June 2015 at 3:08pm | IP Logged |
Try to say hr, that is put your tongue in the position of an r, but then speak an h, which means blowing air through your mouth without any vibration of the vocal cords.
By the way, voiceless r is pretty easy. Voiceless m and n are much trickier IMHO.
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georgw Diglot Newbie Austria Joined 3460 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French
| Message 11 of 15 24 June 2015 at 1:45pm | IP Logged |
Thank you Josquin!
Are there any particular rules on when the use the voiced and voiceless r? At the end of words, in always seems to be voiceless?
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daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4469 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic
| Message 12 of 15 24 June 2015 at 2:11pm | IP Logged |
Icelandic has final devoicing, even for sounds like /r/, /l/ and /m/ or /n/ if I'm not
mistaken. The "final" in final devoicing usually refers the end of a syllable (we have
this in German too, but not for all consonants)
Edited by daegga on 24 June 2015 at 2:13pm
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Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4163 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish
| Message 13 of 15 27 June 2015 at 7:54am | IP Logged |
daegga wrote:
Icelandic has final devoicing, even
for sounds like /r/, /l/ and /m/ or /n/ if I'm not
mistaken. The "final" in final devoicing usually
refers the end of a syllable (we have
this in German too, but not for all consonants)
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How can someone possibly devoice liquids and
nasals?! That's it, I'm outta here.
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daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4469 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic
| Message 14 of 15 27 June 2015 at 1:31pm | IP Logged |
It's actually pretty easy, at least in isolation. Just do not let your vocal chords
vibrate, like with every other voiceless consonant ;)
The volcano Etna is actually often pronounced with a voiceless n in German, so we
have a reference for the sound.
Edited by daegga on 27 June 2015 at 1:35pm
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Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4163 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish
| Message 15 of 15 27 June 2015 at 6:19pm | IP Logged |
Yeah I guess you're right. I find it extremely difficult to do in words though, since
I'm used to voice liquids and nasals in every context, especially if they are
surrounded by vowels.
Thanks, this now gives me yet another reason as to why I'll never learn that devilish
language.
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