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| tpark Tetraglot Pro Member Canada Joined 6856 days ago 118 posts - 127 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Dutch, French Personal Language Map | Message 25 of 30 25 August 2009 at 5:42am | IP Logged | |||||
You have asked individuals who are likely to be language learners to participate in your survey. It is possible that the selection of respondents that you get will be quite different from a random selection. Even so, it may still be possible to draw conclusions from the information that you receive. I've seen some good work from people who have studied prostitute health system utilization from a mobile health van, and someone who worked with a small group of immersion students who went on to study the French language at a university level. The writing I saw was interesting and informative. Good luck with your research! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Talairan Tetraglot Senior Member Spain Joined 6402 days ago 194 posts - 258 votes Speaks: Afrikaans, English*, Gypsy/Romani, Dutch Studies: Spanish, Flemish, Galician, Aramaic | Message 26 of 30 26 August 2009 at 2:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| LazyLinguist Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5413 days ago 105 posts - 125 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 27 of 30 30 August 2009 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| zooplah Diglot Senior Member United States zooplah.farvista.net Joined 6178 days ago 100 posts - 116 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto Studies: German | Message 28 of 30 09 September 2009 at 6:08am | IP Logged | |||||
Esperanto is clearly the better choice for international communication--it's easier, more neutral, and more flexible--but it has a terrible chicken/egg problem (not to mention the psychological reactions to it). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Choscura Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5358 days ago 61 posts - 82 votes Speaks: English*, Thai | Message 29 of 30 27 September 2009 at 7:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The problem with Esperanto, from what I've seen, is that it's an inefficient language. In German, everything is exact, precise, every idea has a word- in Thai, the same type of thing, every idea has it's case (usually a short anecdotal description), and in these languages a lot can be communicated very fast because of this complexity. In Thai at the very least it has a very definite meaning depending on whether you speak 'high' or 'low' Thai. I've said this before, and I know I'll say it again- Thai is very efficient and compact, at least for social interaction. You can determine after maybe 3-4 sentences a very exact picture of the relationship between two people when they're speaking.
So for esperanto... Why would any highly developed language give up this clarity, especially now that the tools of near-instant coherent translation are just beginning to become widely available? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lackinglatin Triglot Groupie United States randomwritingsetc.blRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5790 days ago 62 posts - 146 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, Modern Hebrew Studies: Spanish | Message 30 of 30 06 March 2010 at 4:53am | IP Logged | |||||
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Because that 'near instant coherent translation' isn't nearly as close as it looks... and exists for only a small portion of the biggest world languages, if any at all. While we've gotten down a decent chunk of the translation problem, quality machine translation, as I understand it, doesn't really have any breakthroughs to be seen other than lots of hard work. :\
What's more, translation is never perfect, and to be useful on an everyday level, at a level for relationships, is doubtful to ever come to pass. When it would come to implementation, assuming the technology exists--which it currently doesn't--it either is too expensive or too cumbersome to make relationship possible. Esperanto bypasses those problems in a much cheaper, efficient way. As far as your perceived 'problem' with Esperanto... Many people like to criticize Esperanto, but few really understand the language. I hear lots of armchair experts who've read a bit and have a strong opinion about it. I'd like to see them learn it themselves before professing to be an expert on it, as few people (I don't know any?) who learn it actually walk away thinking that it's critically flawed. The critics all seem to be theoreticians, and I've read and talked through a lot of it. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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