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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5867 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 145 of 149 18 May 2012 at 8:33pm | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
I have mostly read the book for the individual portraits, and if Erard writes a sequel I hope that it will focus more on polyglots as individuals with very different goals, methods and personalities. |
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This is what I also find the strong points of this book, that there are several polyglots portrayed which I didn't know before or as in the case of Prof. Arguelles that there is some additonal information about him.
Fasulye
Edited by Fasulye on 18 May 2012 at 8:35pm
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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6490 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese
| Message 146 of 149 18 May 2012 at 9:10pm | IP Logged |
The problem is as follows:
There is a survey of several hundred self-selected people who believe they have
linguistic talent, independent of whether they are polyglots. This survey suggests a
higher than average occurence of males, left-handed people, auto-immune disorders and
homosexuality.
Later, this survey is narrowed down to less than 20 people with truly extraordinary
language abilities. These people do not fit the above stereotype (and if they did, it
would not be statistically relevant), yet that is what is implied to the media, as the
media are only interested in knowing what traits extraordinary language learners have,
and not what traits those people have who think they might become extraordinary one
day.
Problem 1: this narrowing-down is unscientific. What if all survey results veering
towards left-handedness came from artists who are only interested in learning Italian
and French? What if autism induces people to focus on at most 4 languages? These would
be subgroups that don't have any overlap with the subgroup of hyperpolyglots, so it is
not scientific to expect hyperpolyglots to share the same tendencies as the whole
survey group, especially in a survey that didn't choose its participants from a random
representative sample of the population.
Problem 2: the claim is further simplified, raising the expectation that *every*
polyglot is male, left-handed, with auto-immune disorders etc. etc., when a quick look
at HTLAL's polyglots' self-descriptions shows that they have at most one of these
traits and many have none.
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
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| Pisces Bilingual Pentaglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4642 days ago 143 posts - 284 votes Speaks: English*, Finnish*, French, SwedishC1, Esperanto Studies: German, Spanish, Russian
| Message 147 of 149 19 May 2012 at 12:23am | IP Logged |
I think it would be very difficult to do a really scientific survey of a group like polyglots; it's too hard to get a representative sample. That doesn't mean it isn't permissible to do a survey with what one's got, as long as one is careful in presenting the results.
About the Geschwind-Galaburda model (this is the same as the Geschwind-Behan-Galaburda model, right?) - I didn't pay that much attention to it when I first read the book, but now I looked at it on the Internet. It's quite interesting, and raises a lot of issues, but is quite speculative. It claims that left-handedness, autoimmune disorders, etc. and language disabilities are associated, and perhaps some kinds of giftedness such musical or artistic talent. So I don't quite see its relevance to polyglots.
Edited by Pisces on 19 May 2012 at 12:23am
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| Kronos Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5281 days ago 186 posts - 452 votes Speaks: German*, English
| Message 148 of 149 28 May 2012 at 8:07pm | IP Logged |
New podcast interview with Babel No More author Michael Erard, on Syzygy on Languages blog.
Interview conducted by Claude Cartaginese ('The Polyglot Project') and David Mansaray.
Edited by Kronos on 28 May 2012 at 8:11pm
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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5867 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 149 of 149 18 July 2013 at 7:22pm | IP Logged |
Michael Erard's book "Babel No More" has now been launched on the UK bookmarket under the title "Mezzofanti's Gift".
Fasulye
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