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| sayariza Triglot Groupie Indonesia Joined 6556 days ago 42 posts - 54 votes  Speaks: Malay, Indonesian*, DutchC1 Studies: EnglishC2 | Message 25 of 40 23 May 2006 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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actually it is very difficult or almost impossible to find people in Indonesia who can speak Dutch,,,
even under Dutch colonialism most Indonesians never spoke Ducth daily because the language policy of Dutch colonial, they allowed only royal family and christians to take school. (so if you were poor it was impossible to go to school, if you are non christian you should be very rich to be allowed to go to school) that was a reality. There were many school built by islamic or nationalist bumiputera (indonesian) but all of those used only Indonesian as main language. All of those school were self funded. Dutch was just one subject at school besides Arab or mandarin. even in the society Indonesian was already used by most Indonesian to communicate each other with people from differnt background (there almost 400 languages in Indonesia (200 language but one language has sometime many variations) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gilgamesh Tetraglot Senior Member England Joined 6035 days ago 452 posts - 468 votes 14 sounds Speaks: Dutch, English, German, French Studies: Polish | Message 26 of 40 12 February 2008 at 9:15am | IP Logged | ||
Firstly: In the Netherlands alone, there are about 17 million speakers of Dutch. Plus 6 million from Flanders, as well as about 1.5 million from Surinam. Which adds up to about 24 million native speakers of Dutch. Secondly: The Dutch 'r' isn't necessarily always rolled... Edited by Gilgamesh on 02 March 2008 at 5:27am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Palmettofighter Newbie United States Joined 5925 days ago 29 posts - 29 votes Speaks: English* | Message 27 of 40 01 March 2008 at 10:52pm | IP Logged | ||
I started this 2 weeks ago and I am already having conversations with my Dutch clan in Guild wars (an online game) without having to really look back at anything. I think this is one of the best courses. Of course I speak German and English so you might be in a different situation. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Palmettofighter Newbie United States Joined 5925 days ago 29 posts - 29 votes Speaks: English* | Message 28 of 40 01 March 2008 at 10:55pm | IP Logged | ||
Ive noticed that as well, I know that is different from German, but I just assumed thats how Dutch was read. The Norwegian course of the same brand is also pretty good. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Eduard Decaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5818 days ago 166 posts - 170 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, NorwegianC1, Swedish, Danish, English, German, ItalianB1, Spanish, Serbo-Croatian, French Studies: Portuguese | Message 29 of 40 01 June 2008 at 7:17am | IP Logged | ||
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Interesting to see how non-Dutch speakers reflect on my mother tongue. And, frankly, I can understand that many people may not find our language very sensual. Whenever people abroad find out that I am Dutch, they're more than willing to share their knowledge of this language, usually by uttering many gurgling sounds. But it must be said that this isn't pronounced all over the country. The southern region of the Netherlands, as well as most of Flanders don't use this harsh sound, and one may even want to soften it down even when coming from elsewhere. Several dialects (including the official language Frisian) turn the 'g' or 'ch' sound into a 'k', especially with word beginnings it has in common with Scandinavian and English 'sk~' words.
I don't know about the chick magnet thing, but if you come from abroad and speak Dutch, odds are you may get a lot of attention from indigenous 'chicks'! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cerinety Diglot Newbie Netherlands cerinety.deviantart.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5793 days ago 11 posts - 12 votes Speaks: English, Dutch* Studies: Japanese | Message 30 of 40 23 June 2008 at 3:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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Its also spoken in Suriname and Africa....
But why so negative about Dutch. People learn it because they like it, and should mind it not being spoken that much. Im learning japanese, and thats also only spoken in japan and by some random japanese across the world. Who cares about this. About the 'r' there are more than enough full Dutch people that cant role the R. My mom isnt able to do it either. So noone cares about that. And to Eduard. Noone turns a g and ch into a k. So forget that fact, we do use a soft version of the sound G (pronouncation g and ch are exactly the same). But k and g-sound are veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery different in our language. Go here to hear the sounds: http://homepage.mac.com/schuffelen/dupron.html 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Eduard Decaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5818 days ago 166 posts - 170 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, NorwegianC1, Swedish, Danish, English, German, ItalianB1, Spanish, Serbo-Croatian, French Studies: Portuguese | Message 31 of 40 24 June 2008 at 7:23am | IP Logged | ||
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True about the 'r'. I know someone from Frysia who learnt Finnish, which requires a rolling r, a sound she can't pronounce. And when speaking Finnish in Finland she usually gets some funny looks, unlike in the Netherlands.
About the g/ch to k sounds, this is not common in Standard Dutch, but it does occur in regional dialects and languages. A word like 'school' can turn into something like 'skoal' in the northeast, snd there are other 'sch' combinations that occur as 'sk' instead. Anyway, if you'd run into anyone talking this way, you may politely ask them to switch to Standard Dutch and they will likely pronounce these words as it is done in the rest of the Dutch language area, with our nice, gutteral 'g' :). I may have mentioned it before, but for hearing Dutch, check the Astra 1 television channel BVN.tv or watch Dutch television programmes on www.uitzendinggemist.nl . 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gilgamesh Tetraglot Senior Member England Joined 6035 days ago 452 posts - 468 votes 14 sounds Speaks: Dutch, English, German, French Studies: Polish | Message 32 of 40 24 June 2008 at 11:30am | IP Logged | ||
I have spent 8,5 years of my life in the northeast and I have never ever heard people say 'k' instead of 'g'. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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